Notch Radius Ring

rope-a-dope said:
I have a hydra pulley on the bridge. I wish I didn't but now I'm kinda stuck. I cant give up the 3 hole swivel, but wish the pulley wasn't so clunky. And a pinch machine. I have had it run over my nipple leaning into my gear and tipping. :crying:
I'm not upgrading to the cali swivel. It's too excessive. A buddy got one to replace the radius ring above which again is excessive for not gaining any extra function over a basic ring.
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Get a rigging paw! Or if you're worried about bend, get two and tape them together
 
Mowerr said:
No shit, I didn't know it was bigger/heavier...f that for me man...
Thank u for letting me know
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I wasn't aware it was bigger either, i actually thought it was smaller with the exception of the plate holes... that's too bad..

@Bango Skank
This may be a little extreme for some as far as liability goes, but.. i seen some people drill out the shaft & or bearing setup in the hydra pulley in order to make it into a non moving sheave & add friction back into their bridge system.

Who's the guy I'm thinking of... He's a YouTube guy..
Zeon? Monster Tree? Makes a little Unicender tender as well as an super expensive aluminum wrench tether....? My God.. it's right there in the tip of my tongue...wtf is his name..

@CanadianStan i seen a guy get a ring caught in a cranes metal mesh window grate as he was jumping off the cab into the deck.. let's just say, the ring was not able to hold his weight..lol..
 
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Thanks very much for posting that Joey!
I will try locktite first, and if it doesn’t work, I will do that.
 
JeffGu said:
Yeah... LocTite RED (permanent)... I don't think the BLUE would hold for long.
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As good as a solution as removing the friction is, i still think id have a hard time doing either considering the cost of these devices..

Also.. i heard someone mention this earlier.. that the cali swivel is bigger than the Rook\Hydra.. I'm looking directly at my Rook as we speak & i just can't see how the Cali is Bigger.. Maybe they meant the plate is just bigger (cuz the holes are indeed), or maybe they meant heavier? Did i miss read something..? I just can't imagine the Cali being larger, it just doesn't make sense now that I'm thinking about it.
 
I wanna glue my rook to lock the sheave up too but there's so little room between the sheeve and plates that I'm worried I'll make a mess that'll be permanent too....
 
@MikePowers321
Yes yes.. "Welcome to the party pal!!" We've been discussing this little guy..

Mowerr said:
I wanna glue my rook to lock the sheave up too but there's so little room between the sheeve and plates that I'm worried I'll make a mess that'll be permanent too....
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Hahaha.. you ain't kidding.. thing will end up looking like an abortion.. Maybe there's a needle tip applicator you can use.
In all honesty, I'd much rather have the Cali on my bridge.. as far as that whole "technical notice" goes, i think i was right when i called it for what i assumed it was.. the ONE bridge wear pic/post i could find was some dude representing/posting someone else's bridge & doing the whole "i told you so cmi" thing... & Ontop of that, the existing bridge looked like it had a thousand miles on it to begin with.. the Cali just happened to finish it off like any other new squared/round edge would do..

 
Joeybagodonuts said:
As good as a solution as removing the friction is, i still think id have a hard time doing either considering the cost of these devices..

Also.. i heard someone mention this earlier.. that the cali swivel is bigger than the Rook\Hydra.. I'm looking directly at my Rook as we speak & i just can't see how the Cali is Bigger.. Maybe they meant the plate is just bigger (cuz the holes are indeed), or maybe they meant heavier? Did i miss read something..? I just can't imagine the Cali being larger, it just doesn't make sense now that I'm thinking about it.
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Cali is bigger than rook, no need to imagine, search both items on Treestuff. MBS is 9800! Why? I guess they didn't feel like getting it closer to normal climbing gear cuz tree climbers be like, "I don't care about carrying too much stuff into the air."
 
rope-a-dope said:
The cali swivel is another size bigger than the hydra pulley. At almost half a pound, and rated at 9800 lbs, it is too big for me. Rook says 5.6 oz.
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I haven't double checked but he says the rooks 5.6oz so depends who u are I guess.
Some guys don't care about a couple oz but some guys are minimalist.

Cmi does sell some swivel pulleys with a slick pin for an axle but the swivel top is a triangle. Might be worth a shot

I find most days I just don't use all these luxurie features on my bridge but I was playing around with my gear and found that if you take the bolt and sheave off the cmi glide pulley- you can fit a large Buckingham aluminum ring inside the side plates of it and it looked to me like the curve of the ring rested almost perfectly on that rounded Becket of the pulley. So you wouldn't have a rigging plate but you could clip a ton of stuff into that ring, it's huge. The rope wrench slick pin fits perfect in the holes of the pulley where the bolt and sheave would be but I'd rather use a quad action slick pin like the quickie has (to remain compliant), or you could use the bolt for more friction.
Maybe I'll glue the sheave on the glide pulley to give me that big bend radius.
Instead of the ring I could just put a quickie through the binder hole but I need to get more quickies.
 
Mowerr said:
I haven't double checked but he says the rooks 5.6oz so depends who u are I guess.
Some guys don't care about a couple oz but some guys are minimalist.

Cmi does sell some swivel pulleys with a slick pin for an axle but the swivel top is a triangle. Might be worth a shot

I find most days I just don't use all these luxurie features on my bridge but I was playing around with my gear and found that if you take the bolt and sheave off the cmi glide pulley- you can fit a large Buckingham aluminum ring inside the side plates of it and it looked to me like the curve of the ring rested almost perfectly on that rounded Becket of the pulley. So you wouldn't have a rigging plate but you could clip a ton of stuff into that ring, it's huge. The rope wrench slick pin fits perfect in the holes of the pulley where the bolt and sheave would be but I'd rather use a quad action slick pin like the quickie has (to remain compliant), or you could use the bolt for more friction.
Maybe I'll glue the sheave on the glide pulley to give me that big bend radius.
Instead of the ring I could just put a quickie through the binder hole but I need to get more quickies.
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Yeah but we're not talking about weight, hence the reason i asked what was meant by bigger & specifically asked if weight is what was meant by that & if "i was missing something because i can't imagine it being bigger". The response was, again, "Cali is bigger than the Rook, no need to imagine".

I could give a fuck less who's right, i want to know the facts of the matter because i don't like the overall bulk & frictionless aspect of the Rook on my bridge but do like the triple hole. On paper & from what can see in pictures the Cali Swivel looks like it would take care of the negative opinions i have towards the Rook..
 
Joeybagodonuts said:
Yeah but we're not talking about weight, hence the reason i asked what was meant by bigger & specifically asked if weight is what was meant by that & if "i was missing something because i can't imagine it being bigger". The response was, again, "Cali is bigger than the Rook, no need to imagine".

I could give a fuck less who's right, i want to know the facts of the matter because i don't like the overall bulk & frictionless aspect of the Rook on my bridge but do like the triple hole. On paper & from what can see in pictures the Cali Swivel looks like it would take care of the negative opinions i have towards the Rook..
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Yeah I mean if the Cali swivel isn't round enough, that can always be fixed. I hear ya tho, we're on the same page.
I respect ropes thoughts and opinions on things too, he does know what he talking about most of the time I think.
 
I'd love a miny Cali, about 2/3rds the size of the original with a full radius on the bridge contact area. I don't get how CMI took such a simple and useful idea. Then executed it so poorly. I can even think of how I would machine the geometry on a 4 axis mill in two operations.

Similar to the Notch Radius Ring, why is it so bulky? At least they got the bridge radius contact correct. It's just 3 times a big as needed from what I perceive, I haven't handled one. That and not having a swivel is a deal breaker for me.

I tried a Hydra, I'd have to do what Reon did, the pulley is WAY to fast for me. But then it is still to bulky IMO. Not passing a gate sucks too, unless you only run O shaped 'biners for bridge connectors.
 
The size of both the Cali and the Hydra/Rook absolutely blow my mind.

To point...is anyone actually using all THREE of the Hydra's attachment points? I could see two ends of a DdRT setup, or an SRT connection and maybe a lanyard on occasion...but that still sounds like just using two holes.

To wit, I'd like to insert a classic into the discussion...

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Why is this not a part of the discussion? You can easily fit a bridge and a carabiner in one side, and two carabiners in the other side, yet it's just as smooth (and perhaps a smidge wider) than your average bridge ring. If you want options, that should really cover you for most situations.

Personally, if I'm using my Zigzag I'll clip into the same side that my bridge runs through so I don't have two swivels in line with each other, and then if I'm on the Akimbo I'll clip it into the other side so I still have a swivel. Plenty of options, and I never feel like my junk is in danger of being smashed by a loose bridge.
 
I've been running a cali for at least 6 months. I never notice the weight, it never smashes my junk, and has not caused excesive bridge wear. I might have used all 3 holes at the same time once or twice for an srt line in the middle and a lanyard going to each side, but that is rare. I use the center hole for srt and the side holes for ddrt, on the rare occation I ddrt. I could really do it all without the 3 hole swivel, but I like it. I also have a second bridge with a ring. Totally unnessasary, but its nice when I use the captain hook to have it on the second bridge. None of it ever gets in my way, so I can't justify taking it off. Options are nice. Sure its not for everyone, but some people will love it.
 
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