New device from ISC

[Brocky]

Went back to first post to see that it was released about a year ago, I wonder at what point did they decide they needed to make an improved model? Too much $$$ to scrape, or just sell first run to rabid climbers?

 

[pcpTR33]

TCIA is a month from now which is pretty much the launch for anything anymore, which was funny as there was only two units to see/demo last year, one at the courant booth and the other with maple leaf ropes. I do believe the more manufacturers try to come up with a jack of all devices the more we’re going to encounter this unless like Ryan said they give a rope list they can guarantee function on. In the case of the reflex the nail I think was the original marketing of no wrench required which then became “recommended”. I’ll chew on a silky before I jump on the v2 waitlist.

 

[Ryan Cafferky]

Another thing we know, is that if they make it with enough drag to handle every fat ass climber out there and every tiny 11mm rope with a smooth jacket that someone wants to climb on, that people will complain about the amount of friction it has or that it doesn't tend well enough.

I despise hitches but can totally see why so many people just stick with them. Certainly reliable and affordable.

 

[ATH]

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I despise hitches but can totally see why so many people just stick with them. Certainly reliable and affordable.

...and easy to add another wrap or use a different hitch cord to fit each person.

 

[Njdelaney]

Man I love hitches. This must be specific to the amount of sap you encounter.

 

[Steve Connally]

I'd so go back to a hitch if I could get it to tend like a zigzag with 20' of rope below it.

 

[snunyabizness]

Another thing we know, is that if they make it with enough drag to handle every fat ass climber out there and every tiny 11mm rope with a smooth jacket that someone wants to climb on, that people will complain about the amount of friction it has or that it doesn't tend well enough.

I despise hitches but can totally see why so many people just stick with them. Certainly reliable and affordable.

or just design to work with 11.7-11-.5mm fouble braid and that about covers 99%

or actually talk to real live actual tree climbers...,

 

[ghostice]

Dan offered his views on the ISC Reflex issue yesterdayI (07-Oct-2026) if you haven't seen it. Comments worth reading too. And sounds like @Perrytrees has sidelined his Reflex for now too, from chatter in one of his videos.

 

[treebing]

This has been interesting to follow. Since the first time I climbed on one was a tester prototype around four months old. It wouldn't hold my weight on rope. The tester got 6 versions over six months and none of the versions were more than a couple months old at release. No version was run through the paces. My guess is that ISC had caught wind of the Petzl Project that has been in the works since they released the first ziggy. ISC tried to get a jump on it but just failed.

 

[Bart_]

The chain links zagging action is a bit of a different animal I think to get depth of development knowledge on. In the Petzl zigzag patent there was still some base covering going on and it seems they switched from "diabolo" ( pulley groove ie turned on a lathe) type bollards to the grooved cylinder seen in production. And they were expanding from rack rope path, tiny zag rope path in the uni, min-rw type statics, tuning lengths/angles and contacts with a mess of climber weights, rope dimensions/characteristics and practical durability, weight and strength. Tall hill to aspire to. Lots of variables but at least they had the zigzag data to draw upon. I hold out optimism for Petzl's try.