New article up ....

Mangoes said:
As a fellow tree worker (who is now more a "professional delegator") who started as a summer student in 1994, who has his share of 1H hours under his belt, who decided he would endeavor to not 1H saws any longer around 2002-4, who respects the decisions of others to responsibly justify their own 1H technique application;

I respectfully point out, that as an owner, director, manager; the OHS regulators WILL find you responsible (née liable) for the mistakes of your staff. Even if they are vetted by your well honed "spidy sense" for identifying quality tree workers.

Been there, got the t-shirt.

Even the best staff will make mistakes.

In my current role, I prohibit 1H technique in an attempt to mitigate my risk and liability.
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Mangoe do you attempt to mitigate your risk and liability or are you trying to create a better and safer workplace? Both pointed in the same direction but different tacts. I believe that the manager adn supervisor who create a better and safer workplace are reducing risk to themselves at the same time.
 
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Mangoe do you attempt to mitigate your risk and liability or are you trying to create a better and safer workplace? Both pointed in the same direction but different tacts. I believe that the manager adn supervisor who create a better and safer workplace are reducing risk to themselves at the same time.
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While there is a difference in mindset it may be only in how the information is processed.
 
Circular, never goes anywhere because of completely different premises. Categorically legislating anti one-handing is foundationally and fundamentally wrong. It's proponents self righteously endorse a nanny government system that destroys countries.
 
Instead we let the insurance industry dictate? This isn't a reg that says you absolutely can't, it qualifies the use of it. The problem is defining exactly what those qualifications are.

What would be a much better discussion would the circumstances and decision making process that goes into your choice of one-handing. For many who have been using it all their career that process is as automatic as driving a car. Difficult to put in words now that it's so ingrained.
 
Frax said:
At risk of sounding like one of those priggish twats, I'll say that one handing is always a deliberate and rare choice for me, never a default action. Same as not tying in twice. I call them 'managed exceptions'. Oddly maybe, these two so-called violations seem to go together when I choose it. Not very often.
I'm slow and uncool and will spend the time to get a solid work position every cut.
Unlike what Thomas writes (and I have plenty of respect for him), I feel most secure when I can be hands-free.

Also, don't people who one-hand as a matter of course get elbow and wrist problems from the shitty ergonomics?

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The concept of 'managed exceptions' is already implicit in the ANSI standard, I think. That point about climbers (when cutting) shall be tied in at two attachment points unless it is proven less safe than one attachment. There seems to be something of an implicit law's reasonable person to be found there, that is, an intelligent mind making a decision based on a highest safety criterion. There is nothing in that language about being able to choose one point of attachment when it was most convenient to do so, but only when it is most safe. I would think that something of this sort--a highest safety criterion--would allow the 'no one hand rule' to be temporarily overridden as a "managed exception".

Many one handed cutting occassions are instances where there are no good body position options for two handed cuts and in which there is no risk of personal injury given the trajectories, positions, forces, etc. Efficiency in cutting is often the better part of safety. Efficiency is not the same thing as convenience, however. Where does one handed efficiency warrant its use on grounds of highest safety vs. one handed convenience pretending to be safety on the grounds of efficiency?
 
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I don't always one hand a saw, but when I do...it's an MS200.

Thanks for putting the article up. I've gotten a lot out of the information in the articles on this site. It's made me a safer climber.
 
Interesting for sure. A really good opinion article. Long. But I have a hard time thinking that the engineers at Stihl and Husqvarna haven't already thought through everything the author points out and come to the conclusion that one-handed chainsaw use is still unsafe. Currently it seems the efforts of the engineers designing chainsaws is based on the fact that two hands are better than one - so that's the way we need to approach it. (IMHO, anyway). There will always be an argument for the occasional one-handed cut. That's just like speeding: you usually don't get a ticket, when you do sometimes it's just a small fine. But when it's not, it's not...

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@Frax
My one handing tactics have most definitely effecting my elbows. That being said I think I developed bad habits early with not enough sense of what I was doing and trying to be the fastest to get stuff done. Also probably a lack of stretching.
Much like anything else that has injured me over time or immediately, it's user error
 
One handed yesterday on two 70' Poplar from the bucket - got a slightly sore elbow in the arm that was holding the branch - 1 hr holding different branch on that arm was all it took to get that niggling feeling in the elbow. Would I do it differently next time? - No, because any other option would be tedious and time-consuming in it's own way.

There are evils and lesser evils.
If I wanted zero level of irritation/discomfort - I'd stay in bed all day, actually I'd quite like that.

Repetitive strain is a serious issue though; most of the time, I can avoid that by doing a combination of different tasks using different muscles between ground/bucket/climbing.
 
I made a kind of humorous but inflammatory unlisted video recently on this subject and a couple others… after being frustrated by a bunch of political correctness. Unlisted because, I was enjoying blowing off steam anonymously for nearly no audience LOL yeah… It doesn't really go with my Christian motif though, LOL.
 
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