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Agggghhhhhhh!!!!hahahaha!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
A hefty dose of sanity is just what the doctor ordered. Pure medicine Reg. ahhhh, I can relax for a while now amid the clamor of idiot noise that goes on in the world.
 
Reg said:
Havent really got much energy for it, Rog.

I think limb walking should be banned....maybe spurring too. Cranework, stormwork, falling entire trees perhaps. Using heavy saws even. In fact, anything where natural aptitude, intuition, ability and experience may dictate a strategy....ban it, and bring everyone down to the same level of shitness.
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I personally would like to be brought UP to Reg's level of shittiness
 
Same lines drawn in the sand as usual with this topic. ultimately each of us uses our judgement to determine our acceptance of risk as grown adults.

I am curious though if there are any/many promoters of 1H technique who are responsible for managing the Occupational Health & Safety of:
A) more persons than themselves
B) the preparation of 1H technique training curriculum/standard
C) the delivery of 1H technique technique training to those persons under their OHS responsibility (nee liability)
D) the evaluation of a workers 1H technique competency and proficiency

My sense is that most of the vehement promoters have only to manage the OHS responsibility (nee liability) of themselves and maybe 1-2 others.

I could be very wrong, and would be very curious to know how one would cope with the burden and obligations of promoting 1H techniques to volumes of subordinate workers.
 
Bad saw accidents would likely decrease with an across-the-board decrease in one-handed saw use.

Bad traffic accidents would likely decrease with an across-the-board decrease in speed limits.

In grade school no one was allowed to run in the hall, roughhouse on the playground, or climb a tree. It was safer that way. Swimming in a certain reservoir is prohibited to decrease the risk of drowning. Beaches could implement a similar rule.
 
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Yeah, probably so. It would be nice if there was a badge/curriculum for 1H proficiency.
But the sand-line drawing antagonists to 1H will never entertain that thought.

My new guys are breaking my own personal rules for them if they use 1H. I tell them, two years of work positioning before they can resort to Zorro.
At least one of them I'm pretty sure does not comply. I think I will bring it up again.
Practicing great work positioning especially during the early years of a career won't hurt anyone.
The reasonable answer, which doesn't seem to exist in this world, Mangoes is really in the first part of your comment though.
"....judgment to determine our acceptance of risks as grown adults."
At what age is a grown person responsible enough to be accountable for the choices they make?
My nephew was getting into trouble fairly frequently as a minor. Now he's 18. Didn't really seem to wake him up. Got in trouble again… He now has a bail of $100,000.
Glad they're not coming after the family for it, Lord knows we've tried to talk sense into him.
 
Mangoes said:
My sense is that most of the vehement promoters have only to manage the OHS responsibility (nee liability) of themselves and maybe 1-2 others.
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You're probably right. But responsibility for the masses introduces its own kinds of perversions. If I were running a summer camp for kids I'd probably end up prohibiting all kinds of activities that are quite safe for typical kids with a modest exposure to the risks of playing outdoors.
 
Kevin, I think some people shouldn't do treework, period. And there's countless situations that they could get hurt or even die through their own shortcomings, that rank above one handling a saw, in my book at least. One handling a saw and not hurting yourself in the process does not represent a particularly difficult mental or physical challenge, comparitively.
That's how I look at it. I don't see where lies the degree of difficulty. The operator is in control, not the saw, it doesn't get to say.

I hire 2 workers at once at the most. I'm very particular about their abilities and skill set. If I were hiring 12 it would be no different. If they didn't cut the mustard, I wouldn't hire them.
 
Nish said:
Bad saw accidents would likely decrease with an across-the-board decrease in one-handed saw use.

Bad traffic accidents would likely decrease with an across-the-board decrease in speed limits.

In grade school no one was allowed to run in the hall, roughhouse on the playground, or climb a tree. It was safer that way. Swimming in a certain reservoir is prohibited to decrease the risk. Beaches could implement a similar rule.
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I hate statistical reasoning for lawmaking.
Where does it stop?
The ban of sugary drinks. Tobacco. Alcohol.
Motorcycles. Skateboards. Skiing. It scares the crap out of me that my little kids want to go skiing and I remember all the crazy wipeouts I've had.
But don't people realize that no one is getting out of here alive?
 
August Hunicke said:
The reasonable answer, which doesn't seem to exist in this world, Mangoes is really in the first part of your comment though.
"....judgment to determine our acceptance of risks as grown adults."
At what age is a grown person responsible enough to be accountable for the choices they make?
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As a fellow tree worker (who is now more a "professional delegator") who started as a summer student in 1994, who has his share of 1H hours under his belt, who decided he would endeavor to not 1H saws any longer around 2002-4, who respects the decisions of others to responsibly justify their own 1H technique application;

I respectfully point out, that as an owner, director, manager; the OHS regulators WILL find you responsible (née liable) for the mistakes of your staff. Even if they are vetted by your well honed "spidy sense" for identifying quality tree workers.

Been there, got the t-shirt.

Even the best staff will make mistakes.

In my current role, I prohibit 1H technique in an attempt to mitigate my risk and liability.
 
Yeah, sad, ^^^ just a sad reality of the injustice in the world.
There are worse things but still, annoying meddling of authority.
Governmental Injustice could make me postal.
 
Mark Chisholm said:
Curious how you all take this article I uploaded yesterday by one of our members.

http://portal.treebuzz.com/one-hand...pating-the-inevitable-chainsaw-technique-1092
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As a former primatologist, I would question whether bananas are eaten with one hand while the other hand is used in bracing, etc. First, the banana must be uncorked, either with both hands, with one hand and the mouth, or, as the author has overlooked, a foot, prehensile tail, or even a semiprehensile tail. This aside, a prudent primate uses all of its available appendages to their fullest extent possible. Perhaps the OP should provide top handled saws to research primates to see how they are utilized by primates, rather than assuming that bananas and chainsaws are equivalent. Alternatively, arm the climbing arborists with bananas, which are of questionable effect (see attached video).


Best,
Jon
 
Mangoes said:
Nobody reads the manual. I was tremendously disappointed when I did. The promotion of one handing isn't isolated to Stihl. I checked the husky manuals as well - same promotion. For those that use top handles on the ground, take not of the "designed for use within the canopy of trees" comment. This could screw you.........

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When I (rarely) give my top handle to a groundie I invariably find them grabbing brush with their left hand and cutting it with their right. I'm shocked. I'm on hiatus from this for now until I can figure out how to stop them from doing it. Using a top handle on the ground encourages off hand injury due to lack of repetition with the style of saw, and an environment that doesn't benefit from having 3+ points of attachment. Idle hand is the chainsaw's workshop.
 
August Hunicke said:
Yeah, sad, ^^^ just a sad reality of the injustice in the world.
There are worse things but still, annoying meddling of authority.
Governmental Injustice could make me postal.
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Let's remember the downsides when drafting the safety standards. It's a great idea to wear a seat belt, but making it a law empowers that jackass cop on a motorcycle. Safety laws breed priggish twits. Equating code violations with moral wrongdoing, they'll reprimand you with sanctimony. Tell them off and they might go running to OSHA. And these are just irritations--the least costly of the downsides.
 
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Nish said:
Let's remember the downsides when drafting the safety standards. It's a great idea to wear a seat belt, but making it a law empowers that jackass cop on a motorcycle. Safety laws breed priggish twits. Equating code violations with moral wrongdoing, they'll reprimand you with sanctimony. Tell them off and they might go running to OSHA. And these are just irritations--the least costly of the downsides.
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This entire new horse-beating session was all made worth it for the above post. Brilliantly worded wisdom. I gotta frame that quote and hang it on the wall.
 
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