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Written by none other than my good friend and highly regarded climber Graeme McMahon. Give it a read and let me know what you think. 
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treebilly
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I read it and I can agree. We had an employee that had a full "book" signed by his old employer but couldn't tie his friction hitch properly. To many companies just sign guys off to cover their own asses.
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All correct..theres to many tickets and paperwork..workcover just want piles of swms and tickets tickets tickets
That is probably the best and most accurate article I have read.
Currently completing my cert 3 in arb and completely agree with almost all of what graham has said.
It seems to be even worse in the utility arb industry.
I myself and fighting a battle with trainjng organisations over my current tickets that I require.
If graham happens to read this I would love the opportunity to discuss it with him further
Currently completing my cert 3 in arb and completely agree with almost all of what graham has said.
It seems to be even worse in the utility arb industry.
I myself and fighting a battle with trainjng organisations over my current tickets that I require.
If graham happens to read this I would love the opportunity to discuss it with him further
As a new climber, I think the article has merit in other regions. The training I have received so far has been full of contradictions and conjecture. It is as much about how one person opinion matches the process as it is about a recognized safe process.
The problems don't end with official training and employer training channels. It is a common theme to state "you need training before you get hurt". Or "ask the climber on your crew". What training, and by whom? Without stated objectives, and the criteria for assessing my progress towards those objectives it is all arbitrary. Granted I don't need a full curriculum if I'm just asking how to tie off properly on a spar, but how do you find that information? And when you do find it, how do you know that the information is accepted, tested, and safe? The answer, "I've done it that way for 30 years only holds so much weight.
The problems don't end with official training and employer training channels. It is a common theme to state "you need training before you get hurt". Or "ask the climber on your crew". What training, and by whom? Without stated objectives, and the criteria for assessing my progress towards those objectives it is all arbitrary. Granted I don't need a full curriculum if I'm just asking how to tie off properly on a spar, but how do you find that information? And when you do find it, how do you know that the information is accepted, tested, and safe? The answer, "I've done it that way for 30 years only holds so much weight.
Graeme McMahon
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Hi Scheffa
You are welcome to PM me or post more comment. I am very interested in feedback. Writing articles like this are hollow if they are insulated from considered comment.
Regards
Graeme
Are you the fella who owns Sherbrooke trees?
Graeme McMahon
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I think it owns me sometimes.
Yeah it's a bit like that, you blokes do some awesome work, have seen a videos, they even showed one at my cert3, love playing around in the tall trees, I'm based out of MansfieldI think it owns me sometimes.
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Scheffa
You said you would be interested to discuss it further. Being from Mansfield you work in a mix of natuaral forest, introduced trees, hills and flat country. Your perspective from a more rural area is very relevant to the article. Where did you do Cert 3, Wadonga? Which video was shown and for what purpose? The context interests me.
Regards
Graeme
You said you would be interested to discuss it further. Being from Mansfield you work in a mix of natuaral forest, introduced trees, hills and flat country. Your perspective from a more rural area is very relevant to the article. Where did you do Cert 3, Wadonga? Which video was shown and for what purpose? The context interests me.
Regards
Graeme
Hi Graeme.
I'm doing my cert 3 with a rto in Dandenong, won't name them on an open forum.
The video shown was a large ash removal I think, they were just showing an example of different techniques with climbing and rigging.
90% of my work is done clearing vegetation along powerlines, so I have to go through all the training involved with that aswell.
It appears as if a lot of the training is employer focused, get in get the ticket and get out quickly with minimal time lost. This is fine for those who already have the knowledge and skill to perform tasks safely, however creates a dangerous situation for those who have no idea but all the qualifications.
My cert3 is designed for those who have been working in the industry for a minimum of 12months. This was great for me as hopefully we could skim over some of the more mundane tasks.
My class is approximately 30 students to 1 trainer.
Both of my trainers are excellent, having such a large class makes it very hard to have a good discussion on topics and to create a better understanding.
Out of them 30 students there are probably only 6-7 that currently have any experience.
Just recently we completed aerial rigging and remove trees in confined spaces, the trees worked on would have been a maximum of 40ft in height.
Coming from the area i do, none of the people who completed this course I would feel comfortable sending out to do a removal or prune on the trees in the terrain of my area.
Regards anthony scheffer
I'm doing my cert 3 with a rto in Dandenong, won't name them on an open forum.
The video shown was a large ash removal I think, they were just showing an example of different techniques with climbing and rigging.
90% of my work is done clearing vegetation along powerlines, so I have to go through all the training involved with that aswell.
It appears as if a lot of the training is employer focused, get in get the ticket and get out quickly with minimal time lost. This is fine for those who already have the knowledge and skill to perform tasks safely, however creates a dangerous situation for those who have no idea but all the qualifications.
My cert3 is designed for those who have been working in the industry for a minimum of 12months. This was great for me as hopefully we could skim over some of the more mundane tasks.
My class is approximately 30 students to 1 trainer.
Both of my trainers are excellent, having such a large class makes it very hard to have a good discussion on topics and to create a better understanding.
Out of them 30 students there are probably only 6-7 that currently have any experience.
Just recently we completed aerial rigging and remove trees in confined spaces, the trees worked on would have been a maximum of 40ft in height.
Coming from the area i do, none of the people who completed this course I would feel comfortable sending out to do a removal or prune on the trees in the terrain of my area.
Regards anthony scheffer
Graeme McMahon
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Hi Anthony
I appreciate your reply, the currency of your observations give my article credibility.
Regards
Graeme
I appreciate your reply, the currency of your observations give my article credibility.
Regards
Graeme
Just this week we started te module or performing tree inspections.
This is a topic that I was rather interested in learning more about and increasing my knowledge.
So we are given the study guide and a written assessment which is all completed open book, there are 3 other Assignments to be completed from home which involve performing tree assessments on 6 trees.
This trainer reads word for word from the study guide with very little discussion, there is quite a lot of work involved in completing the assignment and the way it is to be presented which is great.
The catch is, as a cert 3 arborist we are not qualified to perform tree reports, why spend so much time and money on a subject that cannot really be out use, and spend next time to no time by comparison on rigging, climbing, saw use etc.
My way of thinking would be to spend a great deal of time on the tasks we perform daily that have life or death consequences.
Personally so far I have learnt very little from the qualification so far and I am nearly finished, obviously climbing and rigging everyday has taught me a lot but I was still still hopeful taking more away.
This is a topic that I was rather interested in learning more about and increasing my knowledge.
So we are given the study guide and a written assessment which is all completed open book, there are 3 other Assignments to be completed from home which involve performing tree assessments on 6 trees.
This trainer reads word for word from the study guide with very little discussion, there is quite a lot of work involved in completing the assignment and the way it is to be presented which is great.
The catch is, as a cert 3 arborist we are not qualified to perform tree reports, why spend so much time and money on a subject that cannot really be out use, and spend next time to no time by comparison on rigging, climbing, saw use etc.
My way of thinking would be to spend a great deal of time on the tasks we perform daily that have life or death consequences.
Personally so far I have learnt very little from the qualification so far and I am nearly finished, obviously climbing and rigging everyday has taught me a lot but I was still still hopeful taking more away.
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