Jeff_Cochran
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what is this waaaaay back in the 1990's crap? the 90's were only a couple years ago......
my invention
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what is this waaaaay back in the 1990's crap? the 90's were only a couple years ago......
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1990 was 21 years ago, treebing is still relatively young, so for him the 90s could potentially be seen as 'waaaaay back'.
Now for a geriatric like yourself the 90s is indeed a couple of years ago.
what is this waaaaay back in the 1990's crap? the 90's were only a couple years ago......
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1990 was 21 years ago, treebing is still relatively young, so for him the 90s could potentially be seen as 'waaaaay back'.
Now for a geriatric like yourself the 90s is indeed a couple of years ago.
Jeff_Cochran
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geriatric? i thought i was an unschooled rookie?
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geriatric? i thought i was an unschooled rookie?
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you can be both
geriatric? i thought i was an unschooled rookie?
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you can be both
Jeff_Cochran
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your mom can go both ways, but i can't.
tomthetreeman
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your mom can go both ways, but i can't.
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That's not what I heard.
your mom can go both ways, but i can't.
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That's not what I heard.
Jeff_Cochran
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from your mom? nasty
tomthetreeman
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Ha! She said you always looked like the 'bi' type.
Jeff_Cochran
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yeah she and your dad tried coming on to me once, the 60's and up swingers crowd just doesn't do it for me. ;-)
tomthetreeman
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Yeah, my Mom said you were more into the 'Metrosexual' crowd, not the old hippies like your parents.
Jeff_Cochran
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lmao. the metro crowd makes me lol.
The two things you need are time and money. In order to receive a patent you must demonstrate your device is unique and different from any other device out there.
It all starts with a patent application and then a patent search for any devices that could be like yours. You can do this search yourself but it really takes a lot of time.
If you are serious about this, you should hire a patent lawyer. They know all the in and outs of the process. This is where you start paying. You are paying them to do all the leg work and find out if your "invention" is actually unique.
This process does not happen overnight. It can take months. I used to do this type of work many years ago. Maybe today it doesn't take as long. I would estimate $10k easy when all is said and done.
It all starts with a patent application and then a patent search for any devices that could be like yours. You can do this search yourself but it really takes a lot of time.
If you are serious about this, you should hire a patent lawyer. They know all the in and outs of the process. This is where you start paying. You are paying them to do all the leg work and find out if your "invention" is actually unique.
This process does not happen overnight. It can take months. I used to do this type of work many years ago. Maybe today it doesn't take as long. I would estimate $10k easy when all is said and done.
RopeShield
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You need a well written Non-Disclosure Agreement before you start. Your 1st contact should be Patents lawyer(International offices if its has high potential).
Get the signatures from those you select to show it to.
If you are in need of more advice, info or interested in my experience, I am happy to share.
Best of Luck!
Get the signatures from those you select to show it to.
If you are in need of more advice, info or interested in my experience, I am happy to share.
Best of Luck!
Tr33Climb3r
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I have a new idea for a pair of ascenders...I may or may not share it...told Tom about it a little bit...
treebing
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- Detroit, Mi.
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what is this waaaaay back in the 1990's crap? the 90's were only a couple years ago......
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first time I ever used email was 1997. first time I ever used a cell phone was 2002. first time I ever saw a youtube video, 2005. First time I saw a cambium saver, 2001. The 1990s were like the dark ages man.
what is this waaaaay back in the 1990's crap? the 90's were only a couple years ago......
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first time I ever used email was 1997. first time I ever used a cell phone was 2002. first time I ever saw a youtube video, 2005. First time I saw a cambium saver, 2001. The 1990s were like the dark ages man.
moss
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A provisional patent is $110. http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/types/provapp.jsp
it allows you to say patent pending.
Send in a check and all the info you have on the product. it gives you a year to get things started. You can share with people in the meantime. You have to apply with in that year or its all void. that will cost you 4000 at least just to get started. You continue saying patent pending throughout the application procces which could take years.
I think grover is right though. putting it on the buzz is protection in itself. You basically want to get it recorded unequivocally that it is your idea. A patent from what I understand is only as good as the money you have to defend it. Building a reputation and a name attached to your idea is more important and should work in a tightknit community such as our own. Few arborists dont have access to the internet anymore. It is a different story if your product is for the general masses.
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That's the most real analysis and advice I've heard yet. Thanks!
-AJ
A provisional patent is $110. http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/types/provapp.jsp
it allows you to say patent pending.
Send in a check and all the info you have on the product. it gives you a year to get things started. You can share with people in the meantime. You have to apply with in that year or its all void. that will cost you 4000 at least just to get started. You continue saying patent pending throughout the application procces which could take years.
I think grover is right though. putting it on the buzz is protection in itself. You basically want to get it recorded unequivocally that it is your idea. A patent from what I understand is only as good as the money you have to defend it. Building a reputation and a name attached to your idea is more important and should work in a tightknit community such as our own. Few arborists dont have access to the internet anymore. It is a different story if your product is for the general masses.
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That's the most real analysis and advice I've heard yet. Thanks!
-AJ
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Everytime I think of a great idea my wife always says "they already have that" First off who are "they" and secondly did you notice I spelled wife in lower case...
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If you spelled it, “efiw” you would've been pointing out that she's backwards as well. Sometimes the only satisfactions that wives have are finding the fatal flaws.
Bob local woods
Everytime I think of a great idea my wife always says "they already have that" First off who are "they" and secondly did you notice I spelled wife in lower case...
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If you spelled it, “efiw” you would've been pointing out that she's backwards as well. Sometimes the only satisfactions that wives have are finding the fatal flaws.
Bob local woods
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snake in the wood pile
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A provisional patent is $110. http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/types/provapp.jsp
it allows you to say patent pending.
Send in a check and all the info you have on the product. it gives you a year to get things started. You can share with people in the meantime. You have to apply with in that year or its all void. that will cost you 4000 at least just to get started. You continue saying patent pending throughout the application procces which could take years.
I think grover is right though. putting it on the buzz is protection in itself. You basically want to get it recorded unequivocally that it is your idea. A patent from what I understand is only as good as the money you have to defend it. Building a reputation and a name attached to your idea is more important and should work in a tightknit community such as our own. Few arborists dont have access to the internet anymore. It is a different story if your product is for the general masses.
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A provisional patent ought to be considered as the replacement for sending oneself a time-establishment letter. It's in the hands of the patent office and they will likely consider that possession to be superior, or at least very persuasive, to any other argument.
They seem to not care about the quality of the application and imply any jumble of documentation is acceptable, but that doesn't mean that "anything whatsoever" can move the applicant closer to an actual patent. One of the main purposes of the provisional application was to make it easier and cheaper to get into the marathon.
Doing a little recent researching, I find there are now 700,000 patent filings and later I came across the statistic that 500,000 were in the hands of patent examiners. A formal application doesn't get to a patent examiner unless it meets all of the qualifying regulations, so there's a half million people in line, out the door, down the street, and on the expressway to Boston.
I don't agree that putting it on the Buzz constitutes any form of protection. It only provides an independent timeline for when you posted it; perhaps that can have a meaning, but with that same posting you also started the clock ticking for the after-one-year exclusion.
Being able to use the label “patent pending” needs to be looked at carefully. It has never meant you are the owner and the one allowed to make money; it is a warning to the next applicant in line that he may have to pay you whatever he profited before your ownership was formally established. The big caution there is that he may be making money that he can use to defend himself if there is later patent litigation--and you haven't made a dime yet.
Patenting for individuals as such can be relatively inexpensive, but there are real dangers in dealing with the companies that claim they will help you with your invention. In all truth, they only really need to keep you hooked while you continue to pay their fees. I think of them as predators rather than enablers.
Getting an actual patent attorney can be very costly, but please remember that you're asking them to produce pretty much an ironclad document to be defended in court later on. My first patent attorney was a guy whose job was to break patents; I figured if he can break them, he ought to be able to write good ones. He did an impressive job.
If real money is what you're after, you have to consider the pocketbooks of the market you want to appeal to. How many are there, and how much will they pay? The Buzz audience has a specific size; arborists in general don't add an awful lot more, and if you consider the ever present inhibitions of frugality and the generalized “So what.”, It may be difficult to even recover manufacturing costs, let alone legal expenses.
I've given my pants to public domain mostly because I want them to be used; and I'm not interested in the business after a patent is secured. That is not to say I recommend that route for anyone. Be aggressive, be smart, watch out for the traps and pitfalls, and really try hard not to take it too seriously. If you're creative, you'll have another great idea again, and profit flows from many others things besides your creativity.
As a last caveat, a patent doesn't prevent anybody from making it themselves--for themselves or a few others--and any threat of litigation is absolutely tied to the values involved. (The big personal judgments against music copyright violations had to do with the companies claiming probable distributional to very large audience.)
Hey, sometimes there's satisfaction enough just being able to brag about things. Take a few pictures on your cell phone and show them around at bars. At the very least, that ought to get someone to buy you a few.
Bob woke with
PS: When I first got started, I used books from a place called Nolo Press; I think they still exist and are still pretty cheap. If you want, pick them up at Amazon as used books with a $3.99 shipping fee.
A provisional patent is $110. http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/types/provapp.jsp
it allows you to say patent pending.
Send in a check and all the info you have on the product. it gives you a year to get things started. You can share with people in the meantime. You have to apply with in that year or its all void. that will cost you 4000 at least just to get started. You continue saying patent pending throughout the application procces which could take years.
I think grover is right though. putting it on the buzz is protection in itself. You basically want to get it recorded unequivocally that it is your idea. A patent from what I understand is only as good as the money you have to defend it. Building a reputation and a name attached to your idea is more important and should work in a tightknit community such as our own. Few arborists dont have access to the internet anymore. It is a different story if your product is for the general masses.
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A provisional patent ought to be considered as the replacement for sending oneself a time-establishment letter. It's in the hands of the patent office and they will likely consider that possession to be superior, or at least very persuasive, to any other argument.
They seem to not care about the quality of the application and imply any jumble of documentation is acceptable, but that doesn't mean that "anything whatsoever" can move the applicant closer to an actual patent. One of the main purposes of the provisional application was to make it easier and cheaper to get into the marathon.
Doing a little recent researching, I find there are now 700,000 patent filings and later I came across the statistic that 500,000 were in the hands of patent examiners. A formal application doesn't get to a patent examiner unless it meets all of the qualifying regulations, so there's a half million people in line, out the door, down the street, and on the expressway to Boston.
I don't agree that putting it on the Buzz constitutes any form of protection. It only provides an independent timeline for when you posted it; perhaps that can have a meaning, but with that same posting you also started the clock ticking for the after-one-year exclusion.
Being able to use the label “patent pending” needs to be looked at carefully. It has never meant you are the owner and the one allowed to make money; it is a warning to the next applicant in line that he may have to pay you whatever he profited before your ownership was formally established. The big caution there is that he may be making money that he can use to defend himself if there is later patent litigation--and you haven't made a dime yet.
Patenting for individuals as such can be relatively inexpensive, but there are real dangers in dealing with the companies that claim they will help you with your invention. In all truth, they only really need to keep you hooked while you continue to pay their fees. I think of them as predators rather than enablers.
Getting an actual patent attorney can be very costly, but please remember that you're asking them to produce pretty much an ironclad document to be defended in court later on. My first patent attorney was a guy whose job was to break patents; I figured if he can break them, he ought to be able to write good ones. He did an impressive job.
If real money is what you're after, you have to consider the pocketbooks of the market you want to appeal to. How many are there, and how much will they pay? The Buzz audience has a specific size; arborists in general don't add an awful lot more, and if you consider the ever present inhibitions of frugality and the generalized “So what.”, It may be difficult to even recover manufacturing costs, let alone legal expenses.
I've given my pants to public domain mostly because I want them to be used; and I'm not interested in the business after a patent is secured. That is not to say I recommend that route for anyone. Be aggressive, be smart, watch out for the traps and pitfalls, and really try hard not to take it too seriously. If you're creative, you'll have another great idea again, and profit flows from many others things besides your creativity.
As a last caveat, a patent doesn't prevent anybody from making it themselves--for themselves or a few others--and any threat of litigation is absolutely tied to the values involved. (The big personal judgments against music copyright violations had to do with the companies claiming probable distributional to very large audience.)
Hey, sometimes there's satisfaction enough just being able to brag about things. Take a few pictures on your cell phone and show them around at bars. At the very least, that ought to get someone to buy you a few.
Bob woke with
PS: When I first got started, I used books from a place called Nolo Press; I think they still exist and are still pretty cheap. If you want, pick them up at Amazon as used books with a $3.99 shipping fee.
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