Moss Cinching Lanyard prototype

Does anyone see a safety concern using knots to try out the concept? I was using this rope in some small trees yesterday, and I kept changing between the steel biner and a quickie for cinching smaller stuff. I was also using my lanyard chinched with a regular biner, using the akimbo as an adjuster.
In the picture the ring is threaded on the standing end of the rope.20200217_150547(0).webp
 
climbstihl said:
Does anyone see a safety concern using knots to try out the concept? I was using this rope in some small trees yesterday, and I kept changing between the steel biner and a quickie for cinching smaller stuff. I was also using my lanyard chinched with a regular biner, using the akimbo as an adjuster.
In the picture the ring is threaded on the standing end of the rope.View attachment 65465
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Looks good, love it. Great way to explore the concept. Steel biners scare me on the end of a line, but I know you'll be careful ;-)
-AJ
 
dsptech said:
Using it the way you demonstrated but with a ring replacing the carabiner in the soft tight eye.
Might add some additional versatility to the setup.
You could space the rings out a little more which might give the ability to cinch up on smaller diameter limbs.
Just some thoughts.
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Aha, I see, I get it. the main problem for me with two rings is losing the abillity to have quick carabiner functionality in the mix so I don't loose normal options I expect to have.
-AJ
 
SomethingWitty said:
A rope optimized for (but not entirely married to) a texas tug anchor is pretty genius by itself. That's very tidy and not floppy. Just slap a pinto on that carabinier and you can take a couple of redirects with it no problem.
I guess you have to switch your retrieval position to the end hole to smooth it out, too.
Edit: or not. I really need one of these to play with to figure these things out.
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Turns out with the Pinto on the end eye the pulley sheave doesn't get to take on the full bend in the rope to help pulling out a redirect. The shackle takes most of the bend. I simply flipped positions, now the Pinto takes all the bend. The shackle in the end position is a backup to the Pinto that probably isn't needed. Pull down is attached to the carabiner.

It's not a huge advantage to what's currently done as far as I can tell except it is knotless so a hair quicker to implement and nothing is midline attached so a little quicker to reconfigure if you decide to change anchor or system modes in the tree.

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Pulling it out against a redirect, the shackle doesn't interfere with the Pinto doing its job.

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-AJ
 
moss said:
What do you think Climbstihl, techniques work for you?
-AJ
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Why do steel biners scare you? Because of the danger they pose to your face?
Can't say what I'll think about it yet, haven't tried it yet. Will be working the next few days, so I won't be able to try it either. I really need to find some more thin stuff to try it on.
 
climbstihl said:
Why do steel biners scare you? Because of the danger they pose to your face?
Can't say what I'll think about it yet, haven't tried it yet. Will be working the next few days, so I won't be able to try it either. I really need to find some more thin stuff to try it on.
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Yeah, I watched an experienced climber smack himself in the cheek bone pulling a steel biner back through a union. Something to be aware of.
-AJ
 
Moss, the top picture could be done without the DMM ring being attached to the lanyard, correct? I.e., put a bight through the ring on the side coming from harness, take the spliced end with carabiner around limb/tree, remove biner and put splice through the ring (3 legs of line total through ring now), then place biner back in splice so that the end of the lanyard is blocked in the ring.

Or is that over-complicated and there is an even simpler way to do what I'm saying? I have quickies and stuff I could replace the biner temporarily with, so as to add side-loading capability, but just trying to think of other ways to work with tools I may have on-hand at one time or another.

Is there anything wrong with doing this (beside all the steps, and how your rig here makes it much more efficient)? Loading?

Disclaimer: I still have a difficult time visualizing this stuff (getting better as I build the vocab, gain experience using these things, etc.), so if I say anything absolutely clown shoes, it can be chalked up to this.

edit: What I was describing wouldn't work (I'm at a desk with MSpaint. Disclaimer comes into play full force)...

edit 2: This, which isn't what I was describing above...
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moss said:
Some eye candy from an oak pruning job yesterday...

Non-sliding anchor, multiple wraps then locked off on a skinny oak top
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With a branch union available can lock it this way without the disadvantages of using the lanyard MRS
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-AJ
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LordFarkwad said:
Moss, the top picture could be done without the DMM ring being attached to the lanyard, correct? I.e., put a bight through the ring on the side coming from harness, take the spliced end with carabiner around limb/tree, remove biner and put splice through the ring (3 legs of line total through ring now), then place biner back in splice so that the end of the lanyard is blocked in the ring.

Or is that over-complicated and there is an even simpler way to do what I'm saying? I have quickies and stuff I could replace the biner temporarily with, so as to add side-loading capability, but just trying to think of other ways to work with tools I may have on-hand at one time or another.

Is there anything wrong with doing this (beside all the steps, and how your rig here makes it much more efficient)? Loading?

Disclaimer: I still have a difficult time visualizing this stuff (getting better as I build the vocab, gain experience using these things, etc.), so if I say anything absolutely clown shoes, it can be chalked up to this.

edit: What I was describing wouldn't work (I'm at a desk with MSpaint. Disclaimer comes into play full force)...

edit 2: This, which isn't what I was describingabove...
YhDg9pu.png
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That works. Take a look at the thimble prussik, I made one with a ring and some New England Ropes tech cord.
-AJ
 
LordFarkwad said:
Moss, the top picture could be done without the DMM ring being attached to the lanyard, correct? I.e., put a bight through the ring on the side coming from harness, take the spliced end with carabiner around limb/tree, remove biner and put splice through the ring (3 legs of line total through ring now), then place biner back in splice so that the end of the lanyard is blocked in the ring.

Or is that over-complicated and there is an even simpler way to do what I'm saying? I have quickies and stuff I could replace the biner temporarily with, so as to add side-loading capability, but just trying to think of other ways to work with tools I may have on-hand at one time or another.

Is there anything wrong with doing this (beside all the steps, and how your rig here makes it much more efficient)? Loading?

Disclaimer: I still have a difficult time visualizing this stuff (getting better as I build the vocab, gain experience using these things, etc.), so if I say anything absolutely clown shoes, it can be chalked up to this.

edit: What I was describing wouldn't work (I'm at a desk with MSpaint. Disclaimer comes into play full force)...

edit 2: This, which isn't what I was describing above...
YhDg9pu.png
Click to expand...

Your drawing looks very much like the proposal from Worthaug (https://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/moss-cinching-lanyard-prototype.39105/post-632581)
 
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