Mitt Romney

Good points. Can you privatize war? Is war capitilasm? Shoukd corporations have armies that do their bidding? Should we contract out our soldiers? Or do we pony up.
 
There's no comparison between running a business and running a government.

Running a business is at best a benevolent dictatorship, at worst, a tyrant.

Going back and looking at US presidents will show that there are many with no business background who we consider great presidents.

Good point, TB..since corporations are now considered 'people' they should be expected to go off to war to protect their interests...its only fair.
 
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people like grover would love to see america fail it would give them so much joy

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I really like America, I dont love it like most Americans do, but then that's cause I'm not American, I'm Scottish and I love Scotland because it's my home.

I've lived and worked in America and have a strong attachment to it as a place. I made many good friends whilst working there.

My comments regarding capitalism were just common sense comments which many reasonable and rational people have repeated millions of times before.

Capitalism is a flawed system, every single person who is mature enough to have developed a critical mind knows this, it's not perfect but it's all we've got.

I am a capitalist, albeit a very benign one, there are however many malevolent capitalists who will bleed people for everything they have and leave them bled dry.

As for the tea party, there is something very sad about these people, they long for an America which is long since gone, they're scared that white people will no longer be the prevailing race in the USA.

As a platform for the development of political ideas the tea party is as stagnant as the swamps their members emerged from.
 
I bet if you checked out the conditions in some Central American or African countries where there is no meaningful tax base...

...and everybody fends for themselves based on their own talent or circumstance....

...I bet the people born rich who live in lavish compounds still win.
 
i do understand what you all are saying . the system is not perfect but that is not because of the system it is because man is not flawless . and there are people who will take advantage of others sadly so . but that does not mean all are bad . some corporations have donated money to many things like the katrina disaster and others . if it was not for capitalism they would not have the money to donate . i can admit that romney is not the cure but compared to obummer he is all we have to vote for at this time . obummer wants to transform america into something completely unamerican . i have a total entrepreneurial spirit . i would hope others after me will have the opportunity to achieve there dreams and become wealthy if they desire and have the drive and the will to do it . there will always be bad seeds in any group but that does not mean the group is bad . i also think people spend to much time talking about what they dont agree on instead of what they do because i bet we agree on more then you think . all i can say is my best interests are in for what is best for america as a whole ...a nation ... my fellow man . we must get our system to be less corrupt ... sorry no answers for this one .....by the way grover i am part scottish..........high elbow !!!!!!!
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just a tree guy....some sense finally..as far as jomoco....you are correct.. no thoughts of his own. certainly nothing of interest...at this point I just dismiss him as a kook with no ability to actually exchange ideas ...hes just not that bright is all
 
Now see here knave!

I'll have you know I was duly patted upon the head...and pronounced clever....by no less than Al Shigo...in front of multiple witnesses...like Don Blair... so there!

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sorry tom i disagree with you . there is alot to be said about someone running a successful business. it show things about that persons character . things like leadership, discipline , guts , just to name a few . remember these were not just any small business these were very large business , with lots of people working under it . he took many failing businesses and made them strong again . obama has absolutely no experience at all . obummer will not even show his college records ! because it will show he was an exchange student . he may be good at speaking and lectures but that is all he has going for him ,its like having all your goods in the window of your store but nothing in the store to sell !!!!!!! he is a fraud , put here to transform america into something completely unamerican . i know romney is not the cure but he is all we have to vote for right now . otherwise we have a marxist ideologue in the whitehouse , we will not be able to sustain another 4 years of him . we will be finished !!!
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Good thoughts here, I wasn't sure what was OK on this board in terms of political debate, it looks like quite a range. Biggest political challenge is economic; unfunded mandates are running at over 200 trillion, believe it or not: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-08/blink-u-s-debt-just-grew-by-11-trillion.html

No way we climb out of this mess until government starts saying no to those looking for free and easy money and is willing to cut off the rotting limbs. I've never gotten a government check, and frankly have found government unhelpful when it came to running a tree and landscaping business. Instead of calling me up and trying to encourage me to get into compliance on a couple laws that were more technicalities than anything, they scared the h*** out of me with a warning letter that I faced their wrath to the tune of $1200-$2500 a day fines for not having a license; my customers were happy with my work.

I live in a town with a lot of Mormons. The wealthier ones live in McMansions and probably have good lives as well connected clannish people. The thing about all Romney's charity is that it is all to Mormons. A Mormon bishop called me once to do a little tree work and we had some follow work we had agreed on but he called to "scrub" the job.

On Rs vs. Ds, not a dime's difference in the end; they both sell out to their lobbies.
 
Why does it seem perfectly fine that a profitable business operating in a given place should be moved to achieve greater profits for the shareholders leaving the community and oft times the country that enabled it's success to deal with the aftermath? Were those employees not hardworking? Attempting to live the dream? Taking a risk by investing their future and all they had to realize the success that generated the profits for that company?

How is it that a corporation can rely on below poverty incomes for the lowest level workers while it pays their executives incomes that far exceed what most people make in a lifetime? Not only that but rely on, and plan on government programs, the safety net, to cover the shortfall in wages?

I agree with entrepreneurship and the acquisition of wealth but, not at the expense of those that are a part of the business that realizes that wealth. Can we not devise a plan that ties the top earnings to the bottom such that truly, "a rising tide will float all boats"?

Why are we so willing to cast aside the very fellow man that we see as our equals and as participants in the economic engine for the continued accumulation of wealth of the few? Do you not find it fundamentally wrong that companies advertise that the jobs they do have available are not for those that are unemployed? WTF? How can we as a society condone such actions then bemoan the fact that unemployment is still too high?

What of companies that instead of spending to retrain those within the community or even closer, within their own ranks, are willing to spend millions to search the world and entice existing talent to relocate? Do you know some of these unemployed who would gladly seize the opportunity for retraining if it were there?

How about mergers and acquisitions, driven by the mantra of diversification, that serve no real benefit to a company except to create shareholder value in the short term, these efforts have only left communities decimated and more often than not, companies in worse situations than before. No surprise when these very same companies then "shed" assets in an effort to refocus on their core business.

Are we flawed? Are the systems we have invented flawed? Yes, does that mean we accept this and do nothing to adapt and modify these systems such that we can really live up to our aspirations in accordance to the fundamental principles of most religions, and constitutions?

As for philanthropy by these organizations and their owners it represents a very small percent of their wealth and without the tax incentives would likely, be much less.
 
how can all these tree people making a place for themselves in the world talk about politics and not mention Ron Paul, the only one who would fight for us. Sure he has no chance, but he is the only one with vision and integrity.
 

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