Marketing your grapple saw

Tyler Stowe said:
Correct. Other than the remote, the crane and grapple saw systems are separate from each other.
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What are the major benefits of that? Mine is all on one system. What difference would I notice by having 2 separate systems? Does that also mean 2 different cooling systems for the fluid? How do you guys deal with the cold up there. Are your tanks insulated or have heaters for the fluid? I know mine is a little grumpy at first when the temperature dips. Sell me on the 2 systems. I'm curious
 
Tyler Stowe said:
Correct. Other than the remote, the crane and grapple saw systems are separate from each other.
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I can see the benefit of running extra line so that there are no switching valves for the grapple saw on the jib. Those have probably been my single biggest headache with my setup. Other than having two complete separate systems as Steve said I am not sure of the benefit?
 
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My fassi remote is setup to run both the saw and crane, no other remote needed. Rotate has one lever {paddle 7). Open/close is another lever (paddle 8). While holding open/close I can hit one of 3 buttons on the side of the remote. 1 = tilt up 2 = tilt down 3 = saw

I do have diverter valves though thst are activated as soon as I hit a grapple function.

I also have diverter valves to switch from the crane to the hooklift.
 
Thanks for showing the truck off. I like this conversation.

As Steve asked, there must be 2 hydro coolers? Unless there is such a thing as a cooler with a double circuit, which I have not heard of. 2 coolers would eat some valuable space so Tyler can u let us know the layout? I know u said "totally separate systems" already.

Also still curious what the available payload would be on those rears and longer term durability when carrying so much weight unloaded. For some builds it is about doing the work and not what you can carry home and I get that.

I'd still be quite afraid of sinking when getting on job sites. My mats flex a lot and banana peel if I'm on the slightest incline. If u don't get stuck, the ruts are massive even with mats in some situations, but I have a pusher to help out.

So although Canadian legal, why not add an axle? Could be off but to throw out a number only $8-10k installed to an already expensive build.
 
Sorry folks, have not had an opportunity to reply. There is an oil cooler for the crane but you do not need one on the grapple saw if you go to a large enough hydraulic tank, which we did. The main reason for 2 systems is to minimize contamination of the crane hydraulics. As far as dealing with the cold we use a hydraulic tank heater. Payload is about 6,000 lbs. when operating in Ontario. Adding a lift or tag axle in Ontario on a truck this short is not possible due to current regulations.
 
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Tyler Stowe said:
Currently finishing a new unit headed to a happy customer in Ontario. Palfinger PK 65002 with Mecanil grapple saw on Mack cab & chassis. Fully integrated the saw controls into the crane radio remote. Feel this should be a better way for the user to operate. What do you think ?View attachment 55159
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This looks like what I am wanting to purchase or have built. I was wanting at least 100ft vertical reach and a clam shell along with mek. Maybe I am dreaming, but I was trying to be in the 300$ range without sacrificing service, product reliability, and warranty.
 
S & M Services said:
Kinda figured as much. More I have researched, it looks bout $420 area. Have to suck it up soon.
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Big variable in price is how much you end up spending on the truck. You don't necessarily have to buy a brand new truck to put under the crane. And you can save a considerable amount of money buying a good condition used one.
 
Gareth's Tree said:
Big variable in price is how much you end up spending on the truck. You don't necessarily have to buy a brand new truck to put under the crane. And you can save a considerable amount of money buying a good condition used one.
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But be very thorough on evaluating the used one. Get an oil analysis and transmission fluid. Believe me. I bought a good condition truck and got the invoice for 28,000 today for an inframe overhaul. Very unexpected. For me, I've been down for 2 weeks and it's gonna be 3 before its alll said and done.
 
Well i'm in almost a month and $30,000 in repairs. Full in frame rebuild and other parts. Not a very Merry Christmas for the company. $50,000 loss for December. Truck still isn't done yet.
 
I tell people “fastest and least payroll is cheapest. The most efficient way is the cheapest way.” They still look at me slack jawed when I explain the truck, then I tell them, “your not paying for the truck, the guys I don’t have to pay to come here are paying for the truck. This is the cheapest way.” My approach is complimented when there is some factor in play like having to pull into a driveway or grass. I’ll give them two prices, a lesser price to use the kboom and a higher price not to pull a kboom into their driveway or yard. I’ve always done it that way even with stick cranes. Kinda eases the whole driveway liability waiver conversation. With my kboom, I can actually put a pretty good spread in the price difference now, whereas with with stick crane work, it was a small difference in price.
 
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