Looking for the ideal rope.

Willber said:
Well, lol, I'm not surprised at the response. It seems most people aren't as discerning as they should be about most things. It seems some of it, if not most, is due to complacency. Things would be better designed and governed in this world, if only more people were more discerning.
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Sorry to poke lol but

“Things work for most people but be discerning like me, who it’s not working for”

:b

Nobody on this site settles for subpar rope options. The combinations of ropes and devices out there are chosen for good reason.


Yes, I ordered a 5ft sample from Rope.com, and I was hoping it would run easily in the ZZ, but being 12.7mm, it's a bit wide to run in the ZZ. I thought maybe Yale had a 12mm version of the XTC. It's less grippy in the hands than most other famous tree climbing ropes, when unused. But, when it's abraded by used, it's more grippy than most, is nice hear. I do have the Edelrid Direction Up 13mm, but it's more like 12.5. And, it's a bit big, to easily flow through the ZZ.
Willber said:
I find right at 12mm is the largest for great flow through the ZZ. I also use the AllGear Tower Line, which is right at 12mm, and it works great in the ZZ.

Some don't like Drenaline. It seems to have quality issues. What do you think of it?

I visited LimbWalkerTreeService using the link. That's cool you're in such a full fledge company. Are you one of the main climbers in the company?
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What do you mean by quality? It was one of my first ropes and I would never buy it again, but thats because it’s a fuckin bungee chord. The jacket isn’t very durable, but that’s to be expected for the type of rope. SRT or friction savers only (if I were to stoop so low as to climb on a moving rope again :b kidding) As far as performance it works flawlessly with every device I’ve used as long as it’s dialed in properly. I have a short hank I still use occasionally for small trees when I want some bounce for some reason. It’s a quality rope for tree climbing, like most rope designed for the task, just not really for me.

“Different ropes for different folks”
 
Willber said:
Well, lol, I'm not surprised at the response. It seems most people aren't as discerning as they should be about most things. It seems some of it, if not most, is due to complacency. Things would be better designed and governed in this world, if only more people were more discerning.
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Aight then, come back to us with a functional jet pack.

Discernment being wasted on reinventing the wheel instead of honing the wing seems to be hardly discerning.
 
this thread makes me mad lmao. you’re way overthinking it and at the same time not thinking at all. I agree with whoever said “it sounds like you need better mentors”, and I get it, I started my career in northern new hampshire and i’ve worked for a lot of hacks who don’t have a clue about tree work. I think the zig zag is the most forgiving mechanical device when it comes to picking a rope. if you want to improve, instead of finding your perfect thread count snow leopard rope (remember you’re picking out a rope, not silk bedsheets), master using a throwball, and get on single rope ASAP. Also like I said I’m from new hampshire and I’m calling BS on the “limbs start at 30ft” thing.


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Lupin_IV said:
Sorry to poke lol but

“Things work for most people but be discerning like me, who it’s not working for”

:b

Nobody on this site settles for subpar rope options. The combinations of ropes and devices out there are chosen for good reason.


Yes, I ordered a 5ft sample from Rope.com, and I was hoping it would run easily in the ZZ, but being 12.7mm, it's a bit wide to run in the ZZ. I thought maybe Yale had a 12mm version of the XTC. It's less grippy in the hands than most other famous tree climbing ropes, when unused. But, when it's abraded by used, it's more grippy than most, is nice hear. I do have the Edelrid Direction Up 13mm, but it's more like 12.5. And, it's a bit big, to easily flow through the ZZ.

What do you mean by quality? It was one of my first ropes and I would never buy it again, but thats because it’s a fuckin bungee chord. The jacket isn’t very durable, but that’s to be expected for the type of rope. SRT or friction savers only (if I were to stoop so low as to climb on a moving rope again :b kidding) As far as performance it works flawlessly with every device I’ve used as long as it’s dialed in properly. I have a short hank I still use occasionally for small trees when I want some bounce for some reason. It’s a quality rope for tree climbing, like most rope designed for the task, just not really for me.

“Different ropes for different folks”
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Ok, with the accumulative negative info, and lack thereof, I think I really need to have this custom rope made. The only rope I was going to settle on for a time was Drenaline, it's the only rope I've found that has decent characteristics (on paper) and is near the ideal diameter. Also, it was one of the lightest for it's diameter. This is a major blow for hopes of well designed ropes in the arborists market.

"...when I want some bounce for some reason." Lol, good one!
See, even this rope, which is quite highly talked up or fitted a unique niche for people saying it's their favorite rope, lacks ideal characteristics.
I can see many want a rope, just by seeing posts on this sight, that is around 12mm that is light as a 11 or even 10mm, that won't flatten, though it may need to have just the right amount of cover tension given the materials used, the Beal rope was very stiff and hard to put in a rope bucket when it was new, also was too stiff to tie complex knots, but it worn in, after a few months, were you could easily tie a fisherman's knot and many others.
It seems there is too much arb community allegiance, were one whom is from the outside or is not "cool" doesn't have enough clout to have influential input.
 
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Willber said:
Ok, with the accumulative negative info, and lack thereof, I think I really need to have this custom rope made. The only rope I was going to settle on for a time was Drenaline, it's the only rope I've found that has decent characteristics (on paper) and is near the ideal diameter. Also, it was one of the lightest for it's diameter. This is a major blow for hopes of well designed ropes in the arborists market.

"...when I want some bounce for some reason." Lol, good one!
See, even this rope, which is quite highly talked up or fitted a unique niche for people saying it's their favorite rope, lacks ideal characteristics.
I can see many want a rope, just by seeing posts on this sight, that is around 12mm that is light as a 11 or even 10mm, that won't flatten.
It seems there is too much arb community allegiance, were one whom is from the outside or is not "cool" doesn't have enough clout to have influential input.
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You have let all of the other input (lots of said input is from very seasoned individuals) from this thread fly way above your head in the name of self validation. I must exit. I wish you luck with your rope search.
 
for what it's worth, My favorite rope was/is the Cougar "puke" as Steve Connally called it. It was the perfect fatness and pliability. I also like the Sterling tendril.
 
surveyor said:
for what it's worth, My favorite rope was/is the Cougar "puke" as Steve Connally called it. It was the perfect fatness and pliability. I also like the Sterling tendril.
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Wow, looks like a nice rope, I like the more perpendicular braid, I've never seen that in a rope cover before.
Should give better grip. Would you say it is as static as Blue Moon, how round does it stay after/during being stepped on?
There seems to be more of a twist with each braid bundle, compared to most other ropes, also each filaments seems to be a larger diameter than most other ropes. Which may also give more grip. Looks like the greatest rope, seen yet.
I just wish it was made in 12mm. Thanks!
 
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I am not a good one to ask about the static nature of the rope, because I only test with short hanks
I think most any mechanical will flatten the rope to some extent, but both ropes seem very resilient to me.
 
Njdelaney said:
Have you tried getting a gang of spiders to make you a 2,000,000 strand silk rope? Or maybe climbing on Wonder Woman's Golden Lasso of Truth? No doubt they'll come up short in your estimation but they will at least help you zero in on it.
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Silly, just milk a spider goat.
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surveyor said:
I am not a good one to ask about the static nature of the rope, because I only test with short hanks
I think most any mechanical will flatten the rope to some extent, but both ropes seem very resilient to me.
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Oh. The Yale Calamine and this Cougar rope seem to have the same cover design? The Calamine is advertised as keeping its round shape under load. Sounds impressive.
I'll have to obtain a sample of this Cougar/Calamine rope.
 
Stumpsprouts said:
You keep skipping over 12.5mm petzl control, designed for zz. Check it out. Suggestion #234 and counting
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The Control is too stretchy, even on paper. I've found 12mm is just at the right diameter for the ZZ. I have 150ft of the Edelrid Direction Up. It was advertised as 13mm, but it seems 12.5mm
 
Willber said:
Oh. The Yale Calamine and this Cougar rope seem to have the same cover design? The Calamine is advertised as keeping its round shape under load. Sounds impressive.
I'll have to obtain a sample of this Cougar/Calamine rope.
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Calamine, Blue Moon, Poison Ivy, Poison Hi-Vee, Tropical Ivy, Aztek, Prism, Arrow Frog, Blue Tongue, Focus, and who knows how many others, are the same rope with different colored covers.
 
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