Local Tree Companies Suck in my area!

Yesterday I added a 20 amp circuit to run my table saw in my shop. It cost me $4 for the breaker. The wire was a leftover piece, along with the wall box and two duplex outlets.

I did all of the work myself and didn't get a permit nor have an Electrician do the work.

I would never consider calling myself an electrician though.
 
Sounds like you were exercising your freedom of choice Tom!

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1B2tyKfrChQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1B2tyKfrChQ

jomoco
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Now we get to the crux of the matter.

You want to legislate away the humble pickup truck hacker's ability to make a buck.

Limit the customer's ability to hire whoever they choose to prune/remove trees on their private property.

jomoco

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Nope. The customer will still have the choice to do the work themselves, or hire Billy Bobs (we only take cash $$$) Tree Hackerry & Rubbish Removal.
The legislation would limit Billy Bob's ability to promote himself as an arborist.
And that is a good thing, IMO. I don't envision government Tree Nazis running around rounding up all the Billy Bobs. Just giving them hefty fines for misrepresentation would be nice though.
I guess part of why I'm thinking this way is the recent threads by a former linesman now promoting himself to the public as a competent tree professional, when the reality is very different.
 
That same linesman you're referring to is probably considerably better than many of the characters in my neighborhood that I've seen firsthand doing treework for folks I've given estimates for on my block.

The difference between you and I is that I don't whine about those potential clients exercising their freedom of choice to hire whoever they want to do their work. Nor do I have any intentions of reporting them to the authorities for hiring illegal aliens to work on their properties.

I'm a live and let live kinda guy who believes in a no harm no foul world of competitive capitalism.

jomoco
 
None to me.

At least they're out working and scratching to feed their families rather than sitting on their butts collecting welfare.

I certainly don't look down my nose at them.

jomoco
 
"I guess part of why I'm thinking this way is the recent threads by a former linesman now promoting himself to the public as a competent tree professional, when the reality is very different."

you got a little taste of my playground!
 
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The difference between you and I is that I don't whine about those potential clients exercising their freedom of choice to hire whoever they want to do their work. Nor do I have any intentions of reporting them to the authorities for hiring illegal aliens to work on their properties.
I'm a live and let live kinda guy who believes in a no harm no foul world of competitive capitalism.

jomoco

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Whatever floats your boat, Jomoco. Suggesting tree hackers constitute "competitive capitalism" is a bit of a stretch. I think there are much broader differences between you and I than what you stated above! Which is ok, cause I'm also a live and let live no harm no foul kinda guy too.
 
Cool, I remember a thread from many years ago, probably from AS.COM, where the topic was whether CAs should spy on other CAs and report them for infractions, like topping, spiking prune jobs etc?

It was a pretty lively and heated debate!

Some of the worse butchery and slipshod work I've seen has been done by or for CAs. But I've always believed they'd get what was comin to them eventually without me narcing them off to the ISA authorities.

jomoco
 
Since we are on the subject of two guys and a chainsaw topic, i was wondering where the term "fly-by-night" comes from? (it is my favorite term, but no not know the origin behind it)
 
Am unfamiliar with a CA snitch line, and it wouldn't be going on my speed dial, lol! btw., I contract climb (part time) for a couple of outfits that operate in the nether nether world of quasi professionalism / hack artistry. They have been playing the game for a long time and are successful at it. I also consider them friends.

Don't you (Jomoco) think a more level playing field would be beneficial to both the tree care industry, and the public it serves? I'm vehemently anti-union, but as I stated before, I'd like to see arboriculture brought under the "skilled trades" umbrella somehow.

ps, Jomoco, if you read the fairly recent ISA thread on AS, you will note that my comments on the organization are mostly negative, even though I am a member, and a CA.
 
I haven't had any dealings whatsoever with AS now for many years Pelorus.

As for leveling the playing field? It should be apparent that I disagree with you to no small extent.

You see, the first 10 years of my career from 73-83, I was the very embodiment of the very pickup truck hack so many of you take such glee in deriding. Admittedly I dealt with SoCal palms almost exclusively, and had a helluva good time roaming from San Diego to Santa Barbara like gypsies whose pockets were bulging with easy pickins.

It wasn't until the early 80's going to work for Allied Tree Service in LA that I got any exposure at all to real pro climbing techniques. But once I saw what a real climber could do with a bodyline in a big hardwood tree? It was like a lightbulb shining in my mind, and it wasn't long before I was top dog at whatever company I was working for.

So who am I to look down my nose at any pickup truck hack, having been one myself?

jomoco
 
You know what's the biggest loss caused by lack of trade recognition? No good people to hire. All the young workers types are joining other skilled trades and rollin' in lifted one tons with a trailer load of expensive toys. Pretty sure they aren't arborists.
 
Lol, teaching newbies, is generally not a pleasurable experience.

Your attitude sucks for one, you dont even climb trees but your quick to critique people who do it every day.
With the attitude like you already know things, I wouldnt want to have to teach you. I know a lot of climbers who have no clue about SRT or any advanced , they climb with spurs and a tautline hitch and they do tree work every day of the year.
I guess they suck too cause they aint up on the latest and greatest techniques for ropework.
Heres a tip, for free, to climb trees, you do not have to know anything about SRT, people have been climbing into trees with chainsaws(or handsaws) for almost a century now, SRT has come into play in what the past 15 years.
I think its serioiusly your attitude as a rank rookie that needs work.
The 'Bullrigger' is a beuty piece, with fabricating too match(some of the nicest welding Ive seen in a while), but it aint tree climbing.
Perhaps you need to adjust the way you think about people who have been doing this job a lot longer than you.
 
It's hard to keep up with the new techniques. Like you say it's been 100 years since ropes were used in trees more or lees. The prussic (though probably used by the Egyptians) was given an official name in the 1950's. It's a new thing and every new technique is only used if it is faster, safer and easier. SRT could literally climb circles around a climber with techniques from only 10 years ago.
 
I don't claim to know everything or all things, I am however aware of a lot of the latest techniques and have seen what can be accomplished with these techniques I know that me "teaching" myself wouldn't be as good as learning from a more experienced climber such as most of you guys. I do however climb trees and have improved.myskills greatly in the past year. I'm simply looking to gain some hands on experience from a reputable company who doesn't specialize in lionstailing and topping or free climbing. I don't see anything wrong with what I'm trying to achieve here. I have seen arbormasters here a few times I just haven't seen them out at any saw shops to be able to talk with them. I will contact them and see if I can get on with them some how. Oh and thanks for the compliment on the Bull Rigger I really put a lot into making them and the quality is very important to me. Sorry if I have come across the wrong way to some of you, but it seems that the majority of you guys share the same frustration I do on this matter. Thank you all for your feedback it means a lot to me and it is greatly appreciated.


Ralph
 
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Okay, let's pretend I'm Hank. A retired marine who's fond of flat top butch haircuts not only for himself, but for his shrubs and trees as well. He hires pickup truck Pedro to top the snot out of every tree on his property for 500 bucks.

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Jomoco, what about 10-15 years down the road when half of Hank's trees are almost dead because of Pedro's butchery? Either Hank or his kids are gonna have a large bill to mitigate that hazard. Meanwhile, Poindexter has some really nice trees on his property. Am I wrong?
 
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