Lanyards

The Gri-Gri is unusable as a lanyard adjuster. It is spring-loaded to the open position. As soon as you take weight off of the cam it opens, allowing your rope to run through the device. Set one up on your lanyard and clip in around a trunk while standing on the ground. With your weight on the rope try leaning (or swinging, or pivoting, or whatever)in the direction of the Gri-Gri. The cam will spring back to the open position.
 
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What do you mean... "What?" Once your weight is relaxed from the cam it returns to the open position. In the Grillon this spring load had been removed. The cam tends to keep its surface area against the rope even when not under load. This is the difference between the two devices.
 
OK. True, it does not render the Gri-Gri unusable. Having personally used the device as a lanyard adjuster I find its charactaristics undesirable and inconvenient when applied to this particular function.
 
I have my lanyard on my climbing saddle attached via a very closely-tied Knut. It is a little inconvenient at times having it permanently attached but for the most part it's unobtrusive and completely bullet-proof (haven't gotten any sap on it yet, Kathy :)

I haven't had the opportunity to do much of any tree work for some time now. My new full-time job maintaining/testing high voltage electrical gear has lately given me precious little time for much more than barely enough sleep (and hardly at home lately). The other day I arrived in the new town a little early in the afternoon and passed a Vermeer dealer close by the hotel.

After checking in I went to Vermeer with hopes of getting some cord to fashion a Knutted lanyard on the dee of my work harness. They didn't have any, but they did have the Grillon and I'm definitely a convert. (The Cinch also looks like a nice device, if a little less protective of its innards.) I especially like the rope that came with the Grillon, with its protective sleeve. It's just what I need for attaching myself to the equipment. It also was a good excuse to pick up a couple more ball-locks...
 
Hey Lazarus2,

I would like to discuss the "Gri Gri/Grillon as lanyard adjuster" further. Upon review of my last two posts in this thread, it appears that I was taking a combative tone toward your statements. I apologize.

In my experience, when used as a lanyard adjuster and the lanyard is positioned side-D to side-D, the cam in the Gri Gri returns to the full open position when tension/weight is released -even in the slightest-. Do you have a way to deal with this? Perhaps you tie a stopper knot close to the device? When used on a lanyard in an SRT configuration, I cannot readily see any drawbacks. You also mentioned, in a previous post, the ability to quickly switch the Gri Gri from lanyard adjuster to SRT decsender/work positioner. After some experimenting, I feel the Cinch is a superior device compared to either the Gri Gri or Grillon. It is not spring loaded, similar to the Grillon (works well D to D), and it also has an auxiliary "handle" for greater sensitivity when used under load (similar to the Gri Gri).

Thanks, I value your input to this forum. We all need to keep learning and reassess as we do so.
 
The Grillon is not spring loaded and does not lose grip with loss of tension. I haven't used a Cinch but near as I can tell (near as I can remember from last time I looked at one) it functions the same as the Grillon. I love my Grillon and would replace it with the same in a heartbeat if the need arose.
 
glens,

I just edited my post. I own both a Gri Gri and Grillon. I can see from the wording in my pre-edited post how one might think the Grillon is spring loaded, which it is not. I also pointed out this difference earlier in the thread. While we're on the subject... may I suggest you give the Cinch a try? I didn't like it at first, after switching from the Grillon, but after a week or so I found its characteristics better suited to use as a lanyard adjuster.
 
A little late to comment...but...

Having the adjusting hitch attached directly to the side d ring works well for me. That's my climbing style. I do see the advantage of being able to move it to the front for some positions though. My hitch is real close to my d so I've never had it slip from being touched by another part of my gear.
 
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...may I suggest you give the Cinch a try? I didn't like it at first, after switching from the Grillon, but after a week or so I found its characteristics better suited to use as a lanyard adjuster.

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Only thing I didn't like about the Cinch was that if it is placed on the left D-ring (which is where I wear my adjuster) then the handle of the Cinch is on the inside, towards the climber's body. The Cinch still worked, but I had to turn the whole device because I couldn't access the handle.

I found the Grillion too bulky.

The Positioner is my preference for an adjuster, but the Cinch works great for rapelling.
 
Hey guys Im pretty new. Everything sounds good. Allot of variety which is what I have liked in my pursuit of the perfect laynard set-up. I started with a regular split tail/11m rope/micro pully combo, went to the Grillon, then to the v.t. directly to the d-ring and now Im with the klimair with a small biner behind it for slack adjustment. Its my favorite so far then the split tail comes in second. I think the cinch sounds good to so-gotta try it. I like trying everything and at times rotating just to make sure what Ive got is what I want. All the suggestions here are prime though, maybe Ill change it again???
 
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Yeah totally. I've been climbing for two years now and I can't even imagine the new perspectives I'll gain over the next 15.

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Good for you! Think about the next 30 years :)

Keep this attitude and you'll always have a healthy body. Thinking back in five year increments I can see huge changes in equipment. I envy the youth in arborculture now because they're going to have a longer time to use the new tools and techniques that are evolving that will keep you climbers healthy.
 
Wow! 30! That will take me to the young age of 57. I hope man, I would love to continue climbimg for the rest of my life and continue to get better, imagine being a better more efficient climber at 67 then when you were 30. With support from you guys I just might get convinced.
 
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