Jepson's Buntline?

[Zac]

Re: Jepson\'s Buntline?

I use an anchor hitch when not on a splice. There are a lot more variables to consider with a bowline. I wouldn't tie one onto my lifeline, too sloppy (and the discussed safety concerns). Try to tie and untie both the bowline and the anchor, time yourself in a side by each comparison.

check this thread out
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=10185&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1
Pretty much the same discussion

Stay classy

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Re: Jepson\'s Buntline?

The anchor hitch is used when tying a traditional climbing system with no split tail, only the biner and rope. The tail of the anchor bend exits the wraps perpendicular to the working end of the rope and heads directly into the climbing hitch.

You're right, for a rope termination I always use a scaffold hitch. I use a SH, or a variation on the double overhand, for a lot of applications.

 

[Norm_Hall]

Re: Jepson\'s Buntline?

We had a climber have a bowline come untied while body thrusting. He fell approx. 35 feet and broke his humerous.
3 surgeries later, he's back climbing.
The bowline is not the knot of choice for carabiners. The carabiner will tumble in the knot and become 'side loaded'. A 'cinching' knot is the way to go (anchor, buntline, double overhand, etc.).

 

[Stumper]

Re: Jepson\'s Buntline?

Grover, I remember you from Sesame street. Still a knothead I see.

I have used a Buntline for years. It isn't" just a couple of overhand knots" or "Just a couple of half hitches." It is a "cinched running clove hitch" if you are looking for a descriptive other than its name. I love the bowline but it isn't the best knot for terminating onto a lifeline 'biner. As for your perjoritives of the Yosemite tie off- You are simply full of prunes. The Yosemite is stronger than a standard Bowline and it is more difficult to invert. Is the YTO on a bowline needed for most applications? No. Can you trust your life to a standard bowline? Yes. Is the Bowline the best, safest, terminatin to a life support 'biner. Demonstrably NO. If you don't want to give the evidence an honest evaluation that is up to you. But the first hand accounts are right here in this thread. For pity's sake man you have but to play with the knots to see that Bowlines slide around on the 'biner more easily and can loosen if loaded and unloaded repeatedly (particularly in large or stiff rope).

 

[KyLimbwalker]

Re: Jepson\'s Buntline?

Well put, Stumper

 

[TC]

Re: Jepson\'s Buntline?

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It isn't" just a couple of overhand knots" or "Just a couple of half hitches." It is a "cinched running clove hitch"

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STUMPER! you are absolutely correct my friend! I am a Dumb*ss, The Buntline is a running Clove Hitch!

I knew i'd seen it somewhere before.
Its just that I never tied it like I would tie a Clovian(new name for Clove Hitch)

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

Re: Jepson\'s Buntline?

A Running Clove with tail to outside is a turn and 2 half hitches. A Running Clove with tail pinched inside/ against mount is a Buntline.

i think more correctly a Yosemite Tie Off adds security of etra trap/ friction on Bitters. But; it doesn't soften the primary loaded arc of the Bowline's SheetBend that happens directly off the Standing Part, so wouldn't effect strength/ remaining tensile per se.

A Double/ RoundTurn/ Mountaineering Bowline gives the same primary arc a longer distance to arc, so thereby softer, so thereby a remaining tensile increase. But, the 2nd tier/ 2nd turn does give a longer leveraged distance to invert (like slip knot technique of making Bowline in reverse); so must be sure to set properly, to not give enough elbow room to invert.

A Water Bowline (Clove instead of Round Turn); gives more security, but; the Standing Part arcs in jsut 1 rope diameter like regular Bowline, not the extra arc distance of Double/ Round Turn Bowline. So, a Water Bowline; is said to be more secure, but not 'stronger'.