Isc triple action snap failure to close.

Treezybreez · May 13, 2020

climbstihl said:
Don't worry, it's a CT.

Oh, good.

SomethingWitty · May 13, 2020

That doesn't mean everything.

evo · May 14, 2020

SomethingWitty said:
That doesn't mean everything.

you musta done something... Jeesh

islandarb · May 14, 2020

Oh shite in hindsight fixed is not the word. Remedied maybe. Well I have never heard about a recall. Hopefully we will see a recall of all snaps manufactured before the redesigned snap.

SomethingWitty · May 14, 2020

evo said:
you musta done something... Jeesh

There's a rant and rave thread about it. I ultimately am not too upset at CT, but I'm getting something much more bomber if I ever get a double again... it's still a dumb design.
Even good companies can have them.

ghostice · May 14, 2020

My original thought is that this could perhaps be fixed by a redesign of the third little lever by folding or dog-earing the top, in a kinda "V" so one side or the other could never ride under the second long lever and jam up.
And for existing, is it possible to just drill out the third lever pin and ditch the third lever - then you just end up with a double action snap which wouldn't jamb (recognizing you can't use doubles in some jurisdictions)? I know - modifying gear, but at least it wouldn't get thrown out.

Steve Connally · May 14, 2020

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Didn't the incident in the video happen a few years ago? So if it was so important to share, why did it take so long. Also I use one, have for years. Had one stuck open in the tree. Smacked it against the trunk and it was fixed. Never recreated the problem and to this day I still use it. I'm very in tune of my gear and how its working, sounding, and feeling in my hands. I don't rely on the sound of the gate closing before I move on to the next task. I look. I don't think its going to lock open on its own. Has to be opened by hand. Once its opened you would have to work at noticing it hasn't closed. Thats just me. Not everybody is like that.

I totally agree with the need or a redesign and a cautionary advisory but what I don't agree with is the burn ISC at the stake mentality. When this happened did Dan immediately contact them and what happened? It's a way delayed response. Yes one that has to be addressed, but no need to get everyone's britches in a bunch. How about putting down the torches and pitchforks and ask............Here's the problem, whatcha gonna do about it?

ghostice · May 14, 2020

On "what I don't agree with is the burn ISC at the stake mentality" - I concur - lots of examples where, in trying to fix one problem we create another down the road - look at the MCAS fiasco on the 737 MAX (Boeing Buckin') - it'll be taught in engineering schools for many many years. Richard is a straight up guy and ISC is a straight up company, both a credit to the work they do, I think. Just my 2 cents though this morning. I also think that Dan was trying to do the right thing. Lesson? Check your gear each and every climb.

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Merle Nelson · May 14, 2020

Also, if one unsuspecting climber can be given a heads up and save that person and their family some grief it would be nice. Which equals notices far and wide.

Derek D · May 14, 2020

So what do most use on there lanyards

Tuebor · May 14, 2020

Dan's follow up video discussing the video comments and ISC's response:

ISC triple snap malfunction follow up

Seems like it's beyond time for an ISC product notice if it was a known issue that far back.

cerviarborist · May 14, 2020

Steve Connally said:
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Didn't the incident in the video happen a few years ago? So if it was so important to share, why did it take so long. Also I use one, have for years. Had one stuck open in the tree. Smacked it against the trunk and it was fixed. Never recreated the problem and to this day I still use it. I'm very in tune of my gear and how its working, sounding, and feeling in my hands. I don't rely on the sound of the gate closing before I move on to the next task. I look. I don't think its going to lock open on its own. Has to be opened by hand. Once its opened you would have to work at noticing it hasn't closed. Thats just me. Not everybody is like that.

I totally agree with the need or a redesign and a cautionary advisory but what I don't agree with is the burn ISC at the stake mentality. When this happened did Dan immediately contact them and what happened? It's a way delayed response. Yes one that has to be addressed, but no need to get everyone's britches in a bunch. How about putting down the torches and pitchforks and ask............Here's the problem, whatcha gonna do about it?

I thought it was fishy as well tat the alleged incident happened years ago, and only recently became of such pearl-clutching importance as to rate a breathless youtube video. If the guy really crapped his pants as much as he said, he might want to also seek recourse against his mom and dad for his faulty sphincter while he's railing.

Merle Nelson · May 14, 2020

I agree Tuebor, beyond time for a product warning at the least.

Also, @rich_h would you tell us how we can know if our snaps are new production (updated version). I have one on an unused lanyard and would like to know if I can trust it or need to cut it off.

Derek D · May 14, 2020

I see dan is using dmm zodiacs now
Are most people using snaps or carabiners

Merle Nelson · May 14, 2020

Steve thanks for bringing up the point that the video was from 2016 work. I did not notice this. (I do hear it now in his follow up video.)

I would have liked this info to have come out the day after it happened. And if I had Dan on retainer and was paying him full tree service videographer wages I would expect nothing less. Sadly I've never sent him a dime. So him putting this out now is a bonus to me and others.

Tuebor · May 14, 2020

I think the point of his video was to get more workers sharing their incidents and mistakes to increase safety, and he was using this incident as an example.

Phil · May 14, 2020

cerviarborist said:
I thought it was fishy as well tat the alleged incident happened years ago, and only recently became of such pearl-clutching importance as to rate a breathless youtube video. If the guy really crapped his pants as much as he said, he might want to also seek recourse against his mom and dad for his faulty sphincter while he's railing.

This is the type of attitude that keeps people from sharing these close calls. I couldn't care less how long ago this happened. Talking and sharing is how we all learn. I have these snaps and was completely unaware that there had been an issue in the past that ISC felt warranted a design modification. I am happy I know the history of this product. I have received confirmation that my snaps were manufactured post update and I will continue to use them with regular inspections.

cerviarborist · May 14, 2020

Phil said:
This is the type of attitude that keeps people from sharing these close calls. I couldn't care less how long ago this happened. Talking and sharing is how we all learn. I have these snaps and was completely unaware that there had been an issue in the past that ISC felt warranted a design modification. I am happy I know the history of this product. I have received confirmation that my snaps were manufactured post update and I will continue to use them with regular inspections.

Glad I could help

Merle Nelson · May 14, 2020

Derek D said:
So what do most use on there lanyards

Derek I don't know what most people are using. I have used steel core fliplines with steel snaps at the end for a lot of years. I have been wanting to use a lighter lanyard for some applications and have just been in the process of adding those in.