Interesting cuts

wow better get the overshoes it got pretty deep in s up there.
every one has their own thoughts and opinions on some techniques for making cuts with a crane and being that every tree grows different and every climber thinks different theres gonna be an argument of some sort. all macho s aside the threads initial pics showed an interesting alternate cut to possibly use.
and mb hiding behind the trunk was and probabaly is what he felt was best for his own safety. if the crane can handle it i also take the limbs at attachment points to lessen the amount of cuts i gotta make.and have been known to reach around from behind a trunk or am ready to get behind it quick.
i was once struck by a section that partially rotated over because there wasnt enough butt weight versus crown weight.
my supervisor told me i had plenty of trunk below the crown to keep it straight as it lifts off. it didnt.
it didnt help that the crane operator. was on the god dang cell phone not paying attention to me either.
but because i was behind the trunk i was fairly well protected. verry pissed off and mad that i had relied on two other men for their opinions only for them to both be wrong.
so i lived and learned and spent another year doing a crane job almost every week .
so do what feels best and dont knock someones style too hard , learn what you can and hey maybe youll remember that lil picture in some removal in the distant future.
enough of the macho bull s t we can all get er done some how some way .go big or stay home
 
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MR_ED I get the impression that you feel the use of a crane is a rare instance in tree work? In one season alone, last year we (my company and I) did 17 large removals with various crane sizes... I'm not bragging by any means, just stating that it's a regular part of a removal crews' working scheduale to have a crane job on the list perhaps once a month or so. Your comments really don't hold much water, other than perhaps jealousy - the father of poor critisism.

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EH? what gave you that impression? I use cranes about 20 - 30 times a year, in fact for 90% of my dismantle jobs.
I think I even posted a bit of footage of the cranes we use. The last job we did, I craned out 17 trees, 1 pick at a time from over a road.
I have been doing this for about 15 years. I just see no need to brag about it.

And my comments dont hold water? I just felt an inexperienced newbie criticizing a seasoned pro is faintly ridiculous - Although Eric is entitled to his opinion, and made some perfectly valid points.

What exactly do you feel I have to be jealous about? I run my own company, do hundreds of contract removals every year, have my own chip and grapple trucks, yada yada yada... /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
good point on the saw though. I always use a 372xp with 20 or 24" bar on crane work, never an ms200. makes for a good fast cut.
 
A long time ago this guy Ken Palmer used to tell me how he always used the "shelf cut" to cut limbs . I used to say it left too many stubs in the tree. He went on to start some training program and I went back to work . I think I'm with your man though , when I do that cut Climbing , I don't mind throwing a rope on the but , kind of insurance if the limb doesn't listen. In a bucket I don't feel the need for the rope because I'm not going to be in the way . Now booming up or winching up can make this work or not work . Definetly need both the operator and the cutter on the same page. You gotta do what you gotta do . I like them pics , MB's from the South , y'all du what you want over yonder jus don't git kilt.
 
That cut method is filed away for future use, thanks Tod. We use cranes big time here, and in tree work constantly. You can hardly drive to the market without seeing one go by in one direction or another. Most crane companies have a fleet of them running, and if you find an operator who is skilled in tree work, you can ask for him every time, instead of risking getting someone who hasn't progressed beyond lifting lumber at construction sites. Climbers with advanced chainsaw skills up in trees are a rarity (MB can come here and get rich). The upside is that cableing techniques are advanced. There seems to be a safe way to rig just about anything to remove it with relatively simple cuts, though there is the plus/minus time factor when doing complicated set-ups. "Safety", now that is a complicated if not somewhat ridiculous issue. Out in the more rural areas like where I am, there are no governing bodies overseeing treework. I could be working in a tree in shorts and barefoot with no helmit, and nobody would have anything to say about it. I never knew that one handed chainsaw operation was a no no until I started reading at these forums. What isn't self taught I learned from an ol'timer, and after arriving at the job site each day and getting our gear together, then came the standard issue cup of sake...at lunch too. There are a lot of accident reports in the papers, mostly amateurs trying to save money by doing it themselves. The pros get by, by hook or by crook, and behind the times I guess you could say.
 
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MasterBlaster: My way is only questionable to you, Eric.

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Doesn't appear to be so if you can read! Many others have responded same. In fact here's one just below.

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Mr. Ed : good point on the saw though. I always use a 372xp with 20 or 24" bar on crane work, never an ms200. makes for a good fast cut.

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But I suppose when you buddy replies you dont crap all over him.

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Mr. Ed
I just felt an inexperienced newbie criticizing a seasoned pro is faintly ridiculous - Although Eric is entitled to his opinion, and made some perfectly valid points.


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And here we go again, defamate, whine, start throwing crap around ... gee Ed, you really do need see a therapist ... it's not the world according to you and who crowned you King of Treework? And I suppose when some-one hasn't been in the business as long as you they of course must be "inexperienced". I wonder if you flap your jaws so fervently when your bidding, coz if you talked that sort of crap to a bid behind my back it would be a trip to court for you ... slander and defamation are a sign themselves of immaturity in business .

And for what it's worth, lots of employees without employers also think they're running businesses, some cant hold a job down, and then there's plenty people around who have stacks of gear but it doesn't mean they are great tree workers either.

I've seen that oodles of times, big shot with big mouth buys big truck and chipper and ends up with big insurance claim for destroying a house.

Dont know what your trying to prove Ed, but keep it up, every ones waking up to you mate. /forum/images/graemlins/hahaha.gif
 
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MasterBlaster: My way is only questionable to you, Eric.

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Doesn't appear to be so if you can read! Many others have responded same. In fact here's one just below.

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Mr. Ed : good point on the saw though. I always use a 372xp with 20 or 24" bar on crane work, never an ms200. makes for a good fast cut.

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But I suppose when you buddy replies you dont crap all over him.

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Mr. Ed
I just felt an inexperienced newbie criticizing a seasoned pro is faintly ridiculous - Although Eric is entitled to his opinion, and made some perfectly valid points.


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And here we go again, defamate, whine, start throwing crap around ... gee Ed, you really do need see a therapist ... it's not the world according to you and who crowned you King of Treework? And I suppose when some-one hasn't been in the business as long as you they of course must be "inexperienced". I wonder if you flap your jaws so fervently when your bidding, coz if you talked that sort of crap to a bid behind my back it would be a trip to court for you ... slander and defamation are a sign themselves of immaturity in business .

And for what it's worth, lots of employees without employers also think they're running businesses, some cant hold a job down, and then there's plenty people around who have stacks of gear but it doesn't mean they are great tree workers either.

I've seen that oodles of times, big shot with big mouth buys big truck and chipper and ends up with big insurance claim for destroying a house.

Dont know what your trying to prove Ed, but keep it up, every ones waking up to you mate. /forum/images/graemlins/hahaha.gif

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Hehe. Either see a therapist or get thicker skin mate... /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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.. what do you think of those cuts mark?

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I think they're interesting indeed. I have yet to try them, but I always like ideas that break from the norm and also work the way they are intended. Now, I'm taking Todd's word on it and you know how that can be... /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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