Tree video drama

southsoundtree

southsoundtree

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It's weird.

I just saw another "oh, I shoulda..." video by the same YTer who had screwed up many jobs.

Poor judgment and unprepared.

"Shoulda put a rope in it" instead of trying to push a big top...seems like "I shoulda been prepared with wedges and pounder and not relied on groundworkers to stop working on other parts of the job or have a break while the climber does basic tree work that protects against set-back.


Tall conifers are hard to pull tops effectively at times as the line angle sucks.

Wedges put minimal strain on compromised trees. Pull ropes to tall tops have huge leverage on roots.

Too many people make tree work so much harder than needed, IME.
 
Got a link to the video? I respect not trash talking but hard to get context.
If a tag is to be used for a large Doug fir top, best to manually set the line as high as possible, but then your up there anyway so just take a small top…
If doing it anyway tag line should be just snug enough to keep it taught until the climber has cut the backcut. Constant communication to avoid sitback with incremental cutting. Once the hinge is set a good strong consistent pull is all that should be needed.
No crazy preload, no yanking or tugging.
The more preload the more the entire tree moves before it’s cut up. Massive fishing pole and leverage with nothing other than problems
 
True about tall conifers. We don’t get as many (or probably as tall) as you but it’s hard to get far enough away to get a decent rope angle.
 
evo said:
Got a link to the video? I respect not trash talking but hard to get context.
If a tag is to be used for a large Doug fir top, best to manually set the line as high as possible, but then your up there anyway so just take a small top…
If doing it anyway tag line should be just snug enough to keep it taught until the climber has cut the backcut. Constant communication to avoid sitback with incremental cutting. Once the hinge is set a good strong consistent pull is all that should be needed.
No crazy preload, no yanking or tugging.
The more preload the more the entire tree moves before it’s cut up. Massive fishing pole and leverage with nothing other than problems
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When you where a kid did you hear, "I'll give you three guesses and the first 2 don't count"?
 
An easy option to improve the line- angle of a pull rope is to use floating anchor point as a redirect that can be remotely set and retrieved.

You must mind the rope lengths. If your pulling with a redirect at 20' on a top that's 50' away is a different story than pulling at 50' on a top thats 20' away.




side note:
When I'm dealing with rope, including throwline, I'm away ready, and do, throw the line away from me once the job is accomplished ( tree committed to falling, hanger snagged by throwline). This is a good time.
 
southsoundtree said:
It's weird.

I just saw another "oh, I shoulda..." video by the same YTer who had screwed up many jobs.

Poor judgment and unprepared.

"Shoulda put a rope in it" instead of trying to push a big top...seems like "I shoulda been prepared with wedges and pounder and not relied on groundworkers to stop working on other parts of the job or have a break while the climber does basic tree work that protects against set-back.


Tall conifers are hard to pull tops effectively at times as the line angle sucks.

Wedges put minimal strain on compromised trees. Pull ropes to tall tops have huge leverage on roots.

Too many people make tree work so much harder than needed, IME.
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I saw that clip pop up on fb but I skipped past it. The quality of work and the amount of new people who watch that channel for "education" bothers me to the point where I won't watch any of his content to avoid adding to his views. As said above, I do think he does some of this stuff for additional views, along with the click bait titles that draw viewers in to see what went wrong.
 
southsoundtree said:
It's weird.

I just saw another "oh, I shoulda..." video by the same YTer who had screwed up many jobs.

Poor judgment and unprepared.

"Shoulda put a rope in it" instead of trying to push a big top...seems like "I shoulda been prepared with wedges and pounder and not relied on groundworkers to stop working on other parts of the job or have a break while the climber does basic tree work that protects against set-back.


Tall conifers are hard to pull tops effectively at times as the line angle sucks.

Wedges put minimal strain on compromised trees. Pull ropes to tall tops have huge leverage on roots.

Too many people make tree work so much harder than needed, IME.
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More people look at a train wreck than not. I think it’s all for views. I rarely see quality tree work on the inter web anymore. Lack of PPE, lack of skill, look at me fuckery to get views and comments. So for the most part I stop looking at their crap.
 
southsoundtree said:
It's weird.

I just saw another "oh, I shoulda..." video by the same YTer who had screwed up many jobs.

Poor judgment and unprepared.

"Shoulda put a rope in it" instead of trying to push a big top...seems like "I shoulda been prepared with wedges and pounder and not relied on groundworkers to stop working on other parts of the job or have a break while the climber does basic tree work that protects against set-back.


Tall conifers are hard to pull tops effectively at times as the line angle sucks.

Wedges put minimal strain on compromised trees. Pull ropes to tall tops have huge leverage on roots.

Too many people make tree work so much harder than needed, IME.
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Great post... I AM a pull rope guy, almost exclusively and rarely rely on wedges... but east coast hardwoods are a different animal altogether and I'm in the bucket so if the roots give out, I still go hime to dinner.

I took a huge top out of a long dead ash out years ago, maybe 2009... before eab. I was on rope and saddle tied in to the tree.Then I had one guy pulling by hand to take out the next 10 to 12' if stick... my mentor saw the video and chewed me out... saying... what did I rwll you about those dead ash trees... the roots can't be trusted... there's no way one guy pulling by hand could put as much force on the arm as the front leaning top did... but he was still right... you don't your life to a questionable root system... he ladt one , fell right out from under him when he bimbed the first piece out. He was tied into another tree or he would have died...

If it's real sketchy, you could back guy the trunk below the cut...

As far as Jake goes... he's laughed off a lot of mistakes... that's not a good attitude... but he seems like he'll be alright.. he's certainly come a long way and has grown a great business... August too.
southsoundtree said:
An easy option to improve the line- angle of a pull rope is to use floating anchor point as a redirect that can be remotely set and retrieved.
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That's high level thinking... I've only had to go there a few times, but it makes or breaks the deal... my buddy owed me for a little stump grinding job and he got out of the business so he dropped off a 600' spool of 5/8" withba spliced eye. I cut 60' off with the eye to use as a sling for a sling to use on floating blocks...
 
Not defending what happened here, nor have I seen it, but if any of us had every job filmed, edited, and posted online, I’m sure there’d be moments that raise eyebrows too. It’s easy to critique from the couch without being in the tree making real-time calls. That said, there’s still a line when it comes to safety….
 
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Everyone has had a mistake or two.

I work in this market, with these trees, so I'm looking at apples to apples.



A lot comes to judgment, skills and techniques.

I hope he's better that he let's on in the little that I've seen.
 
I think there’s a compilation Lawrence Schultz made of carnage, and things getting western in the canopy, it’s like the crash reel at the end of a late 90s skate video…. At the end of the day, were all just practicing in this ever changing arena… even the pfannerman5000 (or whatever his moniker is).
 
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Chris Schultz said:
Not defending what happened here, nor have I seen it, but if any of us had every job filmed, edited, and posted online, I’m sure there’d be moments that raise eyebrows too. It’s easy to critique from the couch without being in the tree making real-time calls. That said, there’s still a line when it comes to safety….
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I would argue that it's exactly because he films, edits, and posts every job that he should be held, and hold himself, to a higher standard. He chose this life. It's great to acknowledge and explain mistakes that are made, but some mistakes are so egregious that it brings into question the abilities of the individual.
 
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