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Nobody is saying that nothing is wrong.Were just saying a government takeover is not the answer.My comparison of tree work to government controlled healthcare was to show an exact parallel.Find a forum like this one,but for doctor's and the medical industry.If you want the real truth and not partisan BS talk to the doctor's.I have,I have doctor's as clients,They'll tell you the more red tape and goverment involvement the more they have to charge,and if the government sets prices and tells them what they will make,the best doctor's out there will simply retire and the incentive for new doctor's will evaporate.You have to think about the unintended consequences.
 
A)the government programs are not about access, never has been never will be. It is about the government thinking they can do it better than the doctors and patients. More to the point it is about the government thinking you and I are incompetent to take care of ourselves.

B) You want government health care? Try the Veterans Administration system. Great Docs, Great intentions, very difficult access.

Got health problems? Try this I have 14 cardiac stents, have had 3 documented myocardial infarctions, at least two undocumented and I can expect several more in the next ten years, assuming the next one don't kill me.

I have bad genes plain and simple.

I have worked all my life, I am only able to purchase insurance that is outrageously priced through my wife's employer. It won't pay for everything and is not transferable

I am unable to get life insurance, disability or sole-prop workers comp.

Can I ask for help? Certainly. Can I demand it? Absolutely NOT!

There is nothing in the constitution of this country, in the scriptures of any religion or in the ethics of any community that gives me the right to <u>DEMAND</u> that you pay for my care and medicine.

By definition a RIGHT comes from natural law and NOTHING can be a right when it requires something must be taken from another person. Therefore taxpayer funded health care can never be a right.

Compassion and assistance by definition are gifts given freely. Prior to government interference there were free hospitals all around this country. Fundraisers to help hurting people were held frequently. Payment plans were common.

Since the Great Society and Medicare/caid came along all that has disappeared...because the Government killed it.

I am fed up with people who believe that they can exhibit their personal compassion and love of mankind by stealing from others.


You wanna change the world? You want to be compassionate and meeting the needs of other and providing health care to them free of charge? Then may I suggest that you look towards Mother Theresa.

She took everything she had and gave it away for the people she wanted to help and then then asked others to do the same.

Stealing from the fruits of others to assuage your own feelings of guilt over the plight of someone you view as less fortunate is hypocritical, vain and insulting to the self esteem of the individual you view is unfortunate.
 
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I have a question...

Why is it that farmers can buy bulk antibiotics and other medicines (by the 50lb bag) for their animals that (human) consumers pay 5, 10, 50 dollars per pill for?

Anyone have a good answer for that?

The pharmaceutical and healthcare industry in this country has been abused for so long, the only way to fix it is to break it and start over.

-Tom
 
Noone is defending the current situation Tom. Everyone here agrees that we need a MAJOR overhaul, just not the "overhaul" socialist plan that was presented to us.

Tell me that Obamas plan would have been great for this country, now and in 10 years, 50 years, etc.
 
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I have a question...

Why is it that farmers can buy bulk antibiotics and other medicines (by the 50lb bag) for their animals that (human) consumers pay 5, 10, 50 dollars per pill for?

Anyone have a good answer for that?

The pharmaceutical and healthcare industry in this country has been abused for so long, the only way to fix it is to break it and start over.

-Tom

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I am not schooled on this, but farmers use human drugs on their livestaock? all the farms I worked on used livestock grade drugs......
 
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Or:

"Why do aspirin cost $15 at the hospital?"

I can't wait for someone to defend that one.

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Your referring to agricultural medicine's,they don't have to pass the strict testing for human consumption.As for the asprin,it's a simple mark up just like any other business.A hospital is a business you know?
 
Does an Asprin cost that much due to the fact that a RN is administering it to you and then being paid to document this on your file so that your arent overdosed? Or is that not plausible?

That one asprin administered to you just cost the hospital 15-30 minutes of a nurse, pharmacist, and Dr's time in paperwork, billing, etc etc

My wife is an RN, BTW.
 
The antibiotics that they give to livestock are the same ones given to humans.

The companies that sell them to the farms are the same ones selling to the doctors and the same ones you know of. Merck, Pfizer, etc.

As far as the comment about a 'simple mark up.' Are you f***ing kidding me? You are implying that:

1) The patient in the hospital has a choice

and

2) The hospital has some sort of competition (Capitalism GOOD, right?)

When was the last time you were in the hospital?

Let me tell you, they have you by the shorthairs. You do as they say, and if you want something, you better ask fifteen times and thank your lucky stars you're getting it, even at a 5000% markup (capitalism GOOD!).

Oh, and if you leave the hospital because you don't want to pay the exorbitant prices for things you can get at the corner store for pennies? You're F*CKED, because the insurer will deny you coverage if you leave 'against doctor's orders' as they say.

Sure, you can leave, but don't get sick again, because you didn't FOLLOW OUR INSTRUCTIONS, SIT IN OUR WAITING ROOM, TAKE OUR $500 X-RAYS or EAT OUR $15 ASPIRIN, therefore you NO LONGER QUALIFY FOR COVERAGE.

Do you like the sound of this? I really really don't.

-Tom
 
Yes Merck, Pfizer, etc make the drugs, are they the same because they make them.....no! Are the foods used in dog foods the same as used in raviolis because the same company produces both? I dont think so. I grew up working on farms, and I can say first hand I wouldnt put that crap in my body. it is livestock grade, not for human consumption. It is designed entirely differently than what we use. Cows and Horses cant process half the junk our bodies can.

I hear what your saying about the drug companies, we need to eliminate the lobbyists on Capitol Hill.....wasnt this one of the key points Obama ran on!!??!! Liar!

I dont like the sounds of it either Tom, thats why I am glad Scott Brown was elected, because what you just outlined is only the begininng.

We all agree there is a problem, lets not make it worse.
 
Jim, I don't have it in front of me, but the farm vs. consumer drug issue is not so simple.

There was a lengthy program on 60 minutes about 5 years ago, as well as a more recent NPR program with interviews that gave pretty solid proof that the farms are getting many of the exact same chemicals sold to us at an incredible fraction of the price.

-Tom
 
In 1998, the American Association of Poison Control Centers stated that there were 3,702 reports of people being poisoned by animal medicines. Not all animal medicines are tested in humans. People can be poisoned by the medicine if it is a drug that may cause harm in humans. These medicines may cause side effects or possible death.


I'm sure they are all the same,just go to your local feed store and make yourself better!Then you won't need $15 aspirin.
 
Tom,

After rereading your post you never clearly agreed or disagreed with the explanation I gave you from a Hospital workers point of view, whats your retort, is it plausible or not? Is the aspirin $15, then the administering fees on top of that, or is the aspirin $15 because of the fees associated with administering said aspirin?

If you want to see how well state run health care is, come to MA for a year as a sick person. it is absolutely sickening the amount of hoops you have to jump through!
 
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I'm sure they are all the same,just go to your local feed store and make yourself better! Then you won't need $15 aspirin.

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Let me know how this works out, screw the FDA, I have two expensive twins to take care of. you have any idea how expensive 1ml of Tylenol or Motrin is?! You know how much of that a teething baby, nevermind TWO teething babies!, consumes in a week!?
 
Hey Tom, them Rhode Island hospitals must be brutal!

I just went in for a colonoscopy and it was like a day at the spa (minus the camera up the ol' bung hole part). Hospitals and clinics do compete here with local advertising to prove it. Fortunately a colonoscopy is considered "preventive", so my health insurance pays 100%.
We really should be shopping around when we can though, my local clinic wanted $200 to do my DOT physical, when I found another that would do it for $75. When I questioned my clinic on the price, they didn't have an answer for me
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Is there one republican in the Senate that does not take advantage of the govt. sponsored health care offered to them? I don't know of any. If it was that bad wouldn't we have some republican senators refusing their plan.
 
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I'm surprised to read some of the things written by business owner's.If they really are business owner's!

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are you a business owner?
 
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Is there one republican in the Senate that does not take advantage of the govt. sponsored health care offered to them? I don't know of any. If it was that bad wouldn't we have some republican senators refusing their plan.

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Govt SPONSORED, is NOT Govt RUN! Big difference. The Govt negotiates those low rates because of how many members they have. The US Govt is the single biggest employer in this country. State RUN health care would be different.

Obama has already said that Congress, and the US Govt employees would NOT be forced into the new health care reform like others would.......Why not Mr President?

Republicans and Liberals need to go! We need more of a movement toward independents in this country. They are both too far off the deep end. Liberals are Super Libs nowadays,and "Republicans" are democrats at best. We have no real conservatives in Congress, save for a few unknowns.
 
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