Im new to the business, but never climbed before. Any advice?

Jorgon1022 said:
Thats the other thing. I came in here looking at tree service from a business perspective. Many here look at from an arborist perspective. Many here are super passionate about trees and doing whats best for a tree.

But from a business point of view, we are here to serve customers. Serving them sometimes means that you are going to top out that tree and leave it ugly but you will explain to them the consequences of doing it and if they still are adamant about topping it off, you do it. Because from a business perspective you are there to serve their needs.

Some will argue that long term you are doing them a disservice. I don't agree with that as long as you communicate the consequences of their actions and have them sign off on it.
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You can't argue with stupid. Or a troll. Whichever you may be.
 
Interesting thread Jorgon1022, welcome to TreeBuzz.

If you would have asked me about the tree business before you started I would have suggested buying a reputable working business that someone wants to get out of. It's pretty easy to imagine someone who loves business improving on most of the tree companies out there - some much more than others. (Mine for one.)

Too painful to read much more than a page of this so I'll wish you the best of luck.

Ahh.... one thing did just occur to me. Find a good climber who wants more than he is getting currently, promise him enough,in writing, to have him willing to go along with you through the building phase as you will be needing to take most of the profits early on.
 
I bet it would take a skilled climber multiple days to handle those trees. It would take far less with an idiot helping on the ground. A great crew might smash those out in a morning. Or it might take half the week. I really don't know who we are talking about or what they are equipped with... those are also pictures. Unfortunately I can't walk around and look at them and let you know what it would take my crew to get them done.
 
Jorgon1022 said:
I am. This opens another conversation.

Because I worked in landscaping for 5+ years, one thing I did learn to do was to prune. I got pretty proficient and pruning and I know this because a lot of times we kept lawn customers for years and would also do the pruning for them.

Over the years, we would see how the pruned trees would flourish, no disease, etc.

Pruning and tree removals are two completely different things. I am more worried about removals. Removals present difficulties like barber chair, removing limbs next to fences, roofs, etc.

Rigging is super interesting as well, but also dangerous.


The only way to find out is to do it right? Here, ill embarrass myself even more. I might as well since you guys are already grilling me. Check out these two trees here. I estimated them at 2500 dollars to bring both of them down.

I imagine a good climber can bring both of these down in 1 day? But I could be wrong. They are both locust trees I believe.
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It’s near impossible to quote a tree project without seeing it in person, but assuming that I can get a loader and a chipper near that tree, I would think it could be done by a decent three man crew in a day.

I would probably use a bucket though, and some good old cut and chuck instead of doing quite as much rigging. I don’t have a hot tub at home and I don’t want the first one I buy to sit in someone else’s back yard.
 
Jorgon1022 said:
I am. This opens another conversation.

Because I worked in landscaping for 5+ years, one thing I did learn to do was to prune. I got pretty proficient and pruning and I know this because a lot of times we kept lawn customers for years and would also do the pruning for them.

Over the years, we would see how the pruned trees would flourish, no disease, etc.

Pruning and tree removals are two completely different things. I am more worried about removals. Removals present difficulties like barber chair, removing limbs next to fences, roofs, etc.

Rigging is super interesting as well, but also dangerous.


The only way to find out is to do it right? Here, ill embarrass myself even more. I might as well since you guys are already grilling me. Check out these two trees here. I estimated them at 2500 dollars to bring both of them down.

I imagine a good climber can bring both of these down in 1 day? But I could be wrong. They are both locust trees I believe.
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With a grapple saw crane truck (treemek) that would be a half day project for the crane op and one guy (with a chip truck and chipper).

To do it traditionally (rigging or tossing) the job would have to be looked at in person...pictures never show it all.
 
Reach said:
It’s near impossible to quote a tree project without seeing it in person, but assuming that I can get a loader and a chipper near that tree, I would think it could be done by a decent three man crew in a day.

I would probably use a bucket though, and some good old cut and chuck instead of doing quite as much rigging. I don’t have a hot tub at home and I don’t want the first one I buy to sit in someone else’s back yard.
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swingdude said:
At 2500 there is no money for any kind of crane in there. That is a slog and jog fest....
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Correct @swingdude . Cant fit a lift or bucket truck. This is a climber job. At 2500, I underbid. One climber should be able to do this in 16 hours using rigging techniques. I wouldn't chuck anything since the Jacuzzi is there along with a wood patio/roof under those branches.
 
SomethingWitty said:
I bet it would take a skilled climber multiple days to handle those trees. It would take far less with an idiot helping on the ground. A great crew might smash those out in a morning. Or it might take half the week. I really don't know who we are talking about or what they are equipped with... those are also pictures. Unfortunately I can't walk around and look at them and let you know what it would take my crew to get them done.
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You said skilled climber. I bid him 2 days worth of work. Super dangerous for the climber and also hitting the jacuzzi/property.
 
Jorgon1022 said:
Correct @swingdude . Cant fit a lift or bucket truck. This is a climber job. At 2500, I underbid. One climber should be able to do this in 16 hours using rigging techniques. I wouldn't chuck anything since the Jacuzzi is there along with a wood patio/roof under those branches.
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The sooner you stop under biding, the sooner the bank starts rollin in!
 
Jorgon1022 said:
I think im probably going to get hammered for this, but I figured I would post here since I need advice. I started my own business this year and have a few jobs lined up starting in June. The bad thing about this? I have never climbed before.

In fact, I majored in Business, got a job in IT and make roughly 75k a year.

I worked as a groundsmen when I was 18 for 2 years for a contractor Arborist. I am 30 now so I dont know if those 2 years count for anything.

However, the good news is that I am getting trained by the best people in the USA. I have a climbing course that is offered by WesSpur that I am taking next week in Snowhomish Washington. This year, I also plan to take a rigging course.

My biggest fear however is delivering on the jobs that I have lined up in June. Safety is my top priority. Am I way in over my head with getting into this industry without experience?

I know people that outright started their business with no experience and they did just fine but I am scared and nervous.

Do you guys have any advice? I wish I didnt have to climb, but its incredibly hard finding arborists here in my area (Boise Idaho). Looks like I am going to have to bite the bullet, get some climbing training and get thrown into the water.
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Here for erxmple-I'm going to start an electrical biz, sell some work based on my past experiences as constructiioon labour and renovating my home working with a electrician, show up, fuck shit up and and get electrocuted. Probabley know enough to stay alive, I hope
Yes we are crucifying you for trying. We could encourage you. It would be dishonest.
Your fucked up if you think you fake it till you make it in this
most dangerous biz the tree biz.
Everyone here has survived serious injuries or mishaps and are trying hard to save youir life.
Move on bro take the advice given and leave this work.
i know it, I get it, your in love with the idea of being a tree a man, do it or shut up, fight the good fight, do your best.
Just losing my patience:wtf:
 
RopeShield said:
Here for erxmple-I'm going to start an electrical biz, sell some work based on my past experiences as constructiioon labour and renovating my home working with a electrician, show up, fuck shit up and and get electrocuted. Probabley know enough to stay alive, I hope
Yes we are crucifying you for trying. We could encourage you. It would be dishonest.
Your fucked up if you think you fake it till you make it in this
most dangerous biz the tree biz.
Everyone here has survived serious injuries or mishaps and are trying hard to save youir life.
Move on bro take the advice given and leave this work.
i know it, I get it, your in love with the idea of being a tree a man, do it or shut up, fight the good fight, do your best.
Just losing my patience:wtf:
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Fair enough. Tree service is def the most dangerous biz. However, I wont leave the idea though lol.

Im just going to have to pay my dues and start from the bottom and then build from there.
 
Jorgon1022 said:
Correct @swingdude . Cant fit a lift or bucket truck. This is a climber job. At 2500, I underbid. One climber should be able to do this in 16 hours using rigging techniques. I wouldn't chuck anything since the Jacuzzi is there along with a wood patio/roof under those branches.
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Only need to get within 60-70' feet of a 70-80' tall tree with most treekmeks. Just saying.
 
RopeShield said:
Here for erxmple-I'm going to start an electrical biz, sell some work based on my past experiences as constructiioon labour and renovating my home working with a electrician, show up, fuck shit up and and get electrocuted. Probabley know enough to stay alive, I hope
Yes we are crucifying you for trying. We could encourage you. It would be dishonest.
Your fucked up if you think you fake it till you make it in this
most dangerous biz the tree biz.
Everyone here has survived serious injuries or mishaps and are trying hard to save youir life.
Move on bro take the advice given and leave this work.
i know it, I get it, your in love with the idea of being a tree a man, do it or shut up, fight the good fight, do your best.
Just losing my patience:wtf:
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Thomas we are in agreement on this one. WtF....life is strange sometimes...
 
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