- Location
- Centralia, Illinois
Norm I know you said no aluminum rings no ecceptions with out a rating and manufacturer, but not even the ring that came with the Tree motion?
Illinois TCC 2009
- Thread starter Norm_Hall
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Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
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Norm I know you said no aluminum rings no ecceptions with out a rating and manufacturer, but not even the ring that came with the Tree motion?
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If it doesn't have a rating or manufacturer on it, it cannot be used, period.
The Illinois Arborist Association can't take that risk.
It's a shame that climbers have to have an incident before something is done about it. I've been suspect of unmarked equipment (climbing & rigging) for years. Haven't used it and NEVER will.
Norm I know you said no aluminum rings no ecceptions with out a rating and manufacturer, but not even the ring that came with the Tree motion?
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If it doesn't have a rating or manufacturer on it, it cannot be used, period.
The Illinois Arborist Association can't take that risk.
It's a shame that climbers have to have an incident before something is done about it. I've been suspect of unmarked equipment (climbing & rigging) for years. Haven't used it and NEVER will.
Tr33Climb3r
Participating member
- Location
- Wisconsin
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Norm I know you said no aluminum rings no ecceptions with out a rating and manufacturer, but not even the ring that came with the Tree motion?
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If it doesn't have a rating or manufacturer on it, it cannot be used, period.
The Illinois Arborist Association can't take that risk.
It's a shame that climbers have to have an incident before something is done about it. I've been suspect of unmarked equipment (climbing & rigging) for years. Haven't used it and NEVER will.
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But the treemotion ones are not the ones that are recalled? So confusing when I thought it was just the ones that were in the pictures...the siver ones...that what I have got out of the warnings
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Norm I know you said no aluminum rings no ecceptions with out a rating and manufacturer, but not even the ring that came with the Tree motion?
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If it doesn't have a rating or manufacturer on it, it cannot be used, period.
The Illinois Arborist Association can't take that risk.
It's a shame that climbers have to have an incident before something is done about it. I've been suspect of unmarked equipment (climbing & rigging) for years. Haven't used it and NEVER will.
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But the treemotion ones are not the ones that are recalled? So confusing when I thought it was just the ones that were in the pictures...the siver ones...that what I have got out of the warnings
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
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Norm I know you said no aluminum rings no ecceptions with out a rating and manufacturer, but not even the ring that came with the Tree motion?
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If it doesn't have a rating or manufacturer on it, it cannot be used, period.
The Illinois Arborist Association can't take that risk.
It's a shame that climbers have to have an incident before something is done about it. I've been suspect of unmarked equipment (climbing & rigging) for years. Haven't used it and NEVER will.
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But the treemotion ones are not the ones that are recalled? So confusing when I thought it was just the ones that were in the pictures...the siver ones...that what I have got out of the warnings
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If you were responsible for the safety of 30 competitors , what would you do?
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Norm I know you said no aluminum rings no ecceptions with out a rating and manufacturer, but not even the ring that came with the Tree motion?
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If it doesn't have a rating or manufacturer on it, it cannot be used, period.
The Illinois Arborist Association can't take that risk.
It's a shame that climbers have to have an incident before something is done about it. I've been suspect of unmarked equipment (climbing & rigging) for years. Haven't used it and NEVER will.
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But the treemotion ones are not the ones that are recalled? So confusing when I thought it was just the ones that were in the pictures...the siver ones...that what I have got out of the warnings
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If you were responsible for the safety of 30 competitors , what would you do?
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
The IAA has added a "kids climb" tree to the list of activities at Cantigny. There will be multiple climbing lines set in a spreading tree for kids to climb on.
- Location
- Centralia, Illinois
Norm the Treemotion has aluminum ring's on the side for flip line attachment without a rating or manufacturer name. should we just bring different harness?
Tr33Climb3r
Participating member
- Location
- Wisconsin
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Norm the Treemotion has aluminum ring's on the side for flip line attachment without a rating or manufacturer name. should we just bring different harness?
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reread the recall...it is the polised Al rings only...the ones that are colored or are not polished are not recalled..if they dont allow the treemotion I think there will be a lot of top notch climbers upset with not being able to use that saddle
Norm the Treemotion has aluminum ring's on the side for flip line attachment without a rating or manufacturer name. should we just bring different harness?
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reread the recall...it is the polised Al rings only...the ones that are colored or are not polished are not recalled..if they dont allow the treemotion I think there will be a lot of top notch climbers upset with not being able to use that saddle
- Location
- Rannoch, Scotland
In response to the various enquiries about the aluminium rings on the treeMOTION, I hope the following will provide the necessary answers.
The green anodised aluminium ring on treeMOTION is made by DMM in North Wales and is of the same specification as the rings here:
http://www.dmmindustrial.com/productsDetails.asp?id=6&id2=41&id3=343
and in the range of Teufelberger rope tools here:
http://www.teufelberger.com/en/products/treecare/tools.html
You can see that each product carries a CE mark which normally refers to both a dynamic and static rating. As a minimum, the green rings have passed independent assessment by two Notified Bodies (SGS in the UK and TUV in Austria) covering a number of EN Standards either as a stand alone item or as part of an assembly - EN813, EN566, EN795B, EN354 etc. A static strength of 30kN is quoted.
Until the most recent batches of treeMOTION, the bridge rings have been unmarked. The reason for this is that the ring is part of a certified assembly and therefore carries the same certification as the harness. If we were to include a ring marked to its‘ full spec (EN795B and 30kN), it might give the impression that these are the ratings for the harness, which would be wrong! The most recent treeMOTION rings are now marked with DMM, Teufelberger, treeMOTION and CE0120 (the number of the Notified Bodied).
Norm has stated that unmarked rings will not be accepted at the Illinois TCC. In an attempt to ensure that treeMOTION climbers will be able to use their harnesses, DMM will ship some of the latest spec rings to Norm for the TCC. Can I ask that that the rings are returned to Norm after they have been used at the TCC, so that (if necessary) they can be sent on to the next TCC.
So, just to summarise! The green rings on treeMOTION are made by DMM at their own facilities in North Wales. A brief spec is on the DMM web site. All DMM rings of this spec are CE marked to EN795B and 30kN. If Teufelberger incorporate a DMM green ring into a product, it passes through a sceond phase of independent assessment. treeMOTION rings are additionally CE marked under the harness certification. Norm will have a goodie bag at the Illinois comp.
Chris
The green anodised aluminium ring on treeMOTION is made by DMM in North Wales and is of the same specification as the rings here:
http://www.dmmindustrial.com/productsDetails.asp?id=6&id2=41&id3=343
and in the range of Teufelberger rope tools here:
http://www.teufelberger.com/en/products/treecare/tools.html
You can see that each product carries a CE mark which normally refers to both a dynamic and static rating. As a minimum, the green rings have passed independent assessment by two Notified Bodies (SGS in the UK and TUV in Austria) covering a number of EN Standards either as a stand alone item or as part of an assembly - EN813, EN566, EN795B, EN354 etc. A static strength of 30kN is quoted.
Until the most recent batches of treeMOTION, the bridge rings have been unmarked. The reason for this is that the ring is part of a certified assembly and therefore carries the same certification as the harness. If we were to include a ring marked to its‘ full spec (EN795B and 30kN), it might give the impression that these are the ratings for the harness, which would be wrong! The most recent treeMOTION rings are now marked with DMM, Teufelberger, treeMOTION and CE0120 (the number of the Notified Bodied).
Norm has stated that unmarked rings will not be accepted at the Illinois TCC. In an attempt to ensure that treeMOTION climbers will be able to use their harnesses, DMM will ship some of the latest spec rings to Norm for the TCC. Can I ask that that the rings are returned to Norm after they have been used at the TCC, so that (if necessary) they can be sent on to the next TCC.
So, just to summarise! The green rings on treeMOTION are made by DMM at their own facilities in North Wales. A brief spec is on the DMM web site. All DMM rings of this spec are CE marked to EN795B and 30kN. If Teufelberger incorporate a DMM green ring into a product, it passes through a sceond phase of independent assessment. treeMOTION rings are additionally CE marked under the harness certification. Norm will have a goodie bag at the Illinois comp.
Chris
RogerM
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Louisville,KY USA
Wow! now That is a class move! Very rare these days.
- Location
- Centralia, Illinois
Good show Chris Thanks, Can't wait to see whats in the goodie bag!
Tr33Climb3r
Participating member
- Location
- Wisconsin
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In response to the various enquiries about the aluminium rings on the treeMOTION, I hope the following will provide the necessary answers.
The green anodised aluminium ring on treeMOTION is made by DMM in North Wales and is of the same specification as the rings here:
http://www.dmmindustrial.com/productsDetails.asp?id=6&id2=41&id3=343
and in the range of Teufelberger rope tools here:
http://www.teufelberger.com/en/products/treecare/tools.html
You can see that each product carries a CE mark which normally refers to both a dynamic and static rating. As a minimum, the green rings have passed independent assessment by two Notified Bodies (SGS in the UK and TUV in Austria) covering a number of EN Standards either as a stand alone item or as part of an assembly - EN813, EN566, EN795B, EN354 etc. A static strength of 30kN is quoted.
Until the most recent batches of treeMOTION, the bridge rings have been unmarked. The reason for this is that the ring is part of a certified assembly and therefore carries the same certification as the harness. If we were to include a ring marked to its‘ full spec (EN795B and 30kN), it might give the impression that these are the ratings for the harness, which would be wrong! The most recent treeMOTION rings are now marked with DMM, Teufelberger, treeMOTION and CE0120 (the number of the Notified Bodied).
Norm has stated that unmarked rings will not be accepted at the Illinois TCC. In an attempt to ensure that treeMOTION climbers will be able to use their harnesses, DMM will ship some of the latest spec rings to Norm for the TCC. Can I ask that that the rings are returned to Norm after they have been used at the TCC, so that (if necessary) they can be sent on to the next TCC.
So, just to summarise! The green rings on treeMOTION are made by DMM at their own facilities in North Wales. A brief spec is on the DMM web site. All DMM rings of this spec are CE marked to EN795B and 30kN. If Teufelberger incorporate a DMM green ring into a product, it passes through a sceond phase of independent assessment. treeMOTION rings are additionally CE marked under the harness certification. Norm will have a goodie bag at the Illinois comp.
Chris
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thats a well deserved boo-ya
In response to the various enquiries about the aluminium rings on the treeMOTION, I hope the following will provide the necessary answers.
The green anodised aluminium ring on treeMOTION is made by DMM in North Wales and is of the same specification as the rings here:
http://www.dmmindustrial.com/productsDetails.asp?id=6&id2=41&id3=343
and in the range of Teufelberger rope tools here:
http://www.teufelberger.com/en/products/treecare/tools.html
You can see that each product carries a CE mark which normally refers to both a dynamic and static rating. As a minimum, the green rings have passed independent assessment by two Notified Bodies (SGS in the UK and TUV in Austria) covering a number of EN Standards either as a stand alone item or as part of an assembly - EN813, EN566, EN795B, EN354 etc. A static strength of 30kN is quoted.
Until the most recent batches of treeMOTION, the bridge rings have been unmarked. The reason for this is that the ring is part of a certified assembly and therefore carries the same certification as the harness. If we were to include a ring marked to its‘ full spec (EN795B and 30kN), it might give the impression that these are the ratings for the harness, which would be wrong! The most recent treeMOTION rings are now marked with DMM, Teufelberger, treeMOTION and CE0120 (the number of the Notified Bodied).
Norm has stated that unmarked rings will not be accepted at the Illinois TCC. In an attempt to ensure that treeMOTION climbers will be able to use their harnesses, DMM will ship some of the latest spec rings to Norm for the TCC. Can I ask that that the rings are returned to Norm after they have been used at the TCC, so that (if necessary) they can be sent on to the next TCC.
So, just to summarise! The green rings on treeMOTION are made by DMM at their own facilities in North Wales. A brief spec is on the DMM web site. All DMM rings of this spec are CE marked to EN795B and 30kN. If Teufelberger incorporate a DMM green ring into a product, it passes through a sceond phase of independent assessment. treeMOTION rings are additionally CE marked under the harness certification. Norm will have a goodie bag at the Illinois comp.
Chris
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thats a well deserved boo-ya
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
Thank you for the proactive response Chris. Hopefully other manufacturers will be as proactive and follow suit.
I will be glad to share the rings with all that are interested.
I will be glad to share the rings with all that are interested.
- Location
- Linden, MI. USA
Hi Norm,
Look forward to being out for the comp with meagen this year. I will be in town Friday morning to help set up. Call my cell with any info I may need to know other than what April has given us. Thanks for all the hospitality that your chapter gives to the out-of-state guys! ~Wesley Tregilgas (810)-869-4436-cell
Look forward to being out for the comp with meagen this year. I will be in town Friday morning to help set up. Call my cell with any info I may need to know other than what April has given us. Thanks for all the hospitality that your chapter gives to the out-of-state guys! ~Wesley Tregilgas (810)-869-4436-cell
- Location
- Chardon, OH
Absolutely !
Thanks for the great hospitality to all the out-of-state vagabons from the IL chapter ! ! !
I'm off to Hamilton, ON, Canada this weekend. Anyone else want some activity ? (PM me.)
See you soon Norm, and ya'll !
Greg
Thanks for the great hospitality to all the out-of-state vagabons from the IL chapter ! ! !
I'm off to Hamilton, ON, Canada this weekend. Anyone else want some activity ? (PM me.)
See you soon Norm, and ya'll !
Greg
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
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Hi Norm,
Look forward to being out for the comp with meagen this year. I will be in town Friday morning to help set up. Call my cell with any info I may need to know other than what April has given us. Thanks for all the hospitality that your chapter gives to the out-of-state guys! ~Wesley Tregilgas (810)-869-4436-cell
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Lookin forward to seeing you and Meagan, Wes. I appreciate the help. I have you as a scoring judge for WC and MC. April requested that Meagan help her out running score sheets to the scoring team from the 5 prelim events. Meagan will get a break while you score the MC.
I'll be in touch.
My cell (224)622-8784
Hi Norm,
Look forward to being out for the comp with meagen this year. I will be in town Friday morning to help set up. Call my cell with any info I may need to know other than what April has given us. Thanks for all the hospitality that your chapter gives to the out-of-state guys! ~Wesley Tregilgas (810)-869-4436-cell
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Lookin forward to seeing you and Meagan, Wes. I appreciate the help. I have you as a scoring judge for WC and MC. April requested that Meagan help her out running score sheets to the scoring team from the 5 prelim events. Meagan will get a break while you score the MC.
I'll be in touch.
My cell (224)622-8784
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
We need more competitors!! Anyone?
how many do we have?
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
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how many do we have?
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21.
how many do we have?
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21.
only 3 master challenge spots
. I did a mock AR yesterday, and by the time I got to the top of the tree I could hardly get a biner off my saddle
