I still can't choose...

Thanks so much for the quick answer.

There was another thread on this forum in which a guy posted what I consider to be a "must watch" video with the Rope Runner, which you may have seen already. I'll try to post a link to the video as presented on YouTube.



Amazing new technique, in my opinion. At least, I have never before seen anyone else do this. The only downside I see so far is that it is effectively one long rope, so that if you like to climb with two ropes for safety, as a backup, you've just lost that using his technique. I'm a pretty new climber though, so maybe I'm wrong, and missing something.

The power of his technique is that it allows a climber to move his tie-in point anywhere along the line between his two tie-in points. At one point he demonstrates how moving the position of his suspension point allows him to drop right onto a limb on the other side of the tree, and then limbwalk out relatively easily because he'd just drastically reduced his rope angle.

There is so much going on in this one short video, it's hard to register it all. Just ground breaking technique, in my opinion.

Tim
I watched this video earlier today on my phone. The screen was to small to see what was actually going on. I was looking forward to coming home and watching it on my iPad to see the technique being used, but it's been deleted. Can someone tell me what was going on in the video. It didn't look like something I'd use but wanted to see how it was done.
 
Thanks so much for the quick answer.

There was another thread on this forum in which a guy posted what I consider to be a "must watch" video with the Rope Runner, which you may have seen already. I'll try to post a link to the video as presented on YouTube.



Amazing new technique, in my opinion. At least, I have never before seen anyone else do this. The only downside I see so far is that it is effectively one long rope, so that if you like to climb with two ropes for safety, as a backup, you've just lost that using his technique. I'm a pretty new climber though, so maybe I'm wrong, and missing something.

The power of his technique is that it allows a climber to move his tie-in point anywhere along the line between his two tie-in points. At one point he demonstrates how moving the position of his suspension point allows him to drop right onto a limb on the other side of the tree, and then limbwalk out relatively easily because he'd just drastically reduced his rope angle.

There is so much going on in this one short video, it's hard to register it all. Just ground breaking technique, in my opinion.

Tim
Just re-read the post. Can someone point me in the direction of where this thread is at?
 
Mikbro, you don't drive a red stake body truck do you? I saw an arborist truck in the neighborhood this afternoon that I don't recall seeing before.
 
I watched this video earlier today on my phone. The screen was to small to see what was actually going on. I was looking forward to coming home and watching it on my iPad to see the technique being used, but it's been deleted. Can someone tell me what was going on in the video. It didn't look like something I'd use but wanted to see how it was done.

My apologies. I get the feeling that I directly caused this video to get taken down by asking my questions of Kevin. Just too much heat for the man who posted the video in the first place. It was not my intent to cause him any kind of a problem. I was just trying to ask the inventor and much more experienced climber than myself what he thought of it.

Everything we do when we are up in the trees is ultimately our own responsibility. I understand that, and would never try to cause any grief to someone for bringing a new product to market, or for demonstrating a new technique. It's too bad Johnny Pro felt the need to pull the video. I think we're all big boys, and can decide for ourselves what we are comfortable with.

I'll try to recall the gist of the technique, to the best of my recollection. In spite of the fact that possibly Kevin and Johnny Pro would prefer it if I just let the technique die. I just don't believe that a lack of knowledge is ever a good thing.

The essential idea was to take two very small diameter but very strong ropes, and to get them tossed up and over two sides of a broad spreading tree, SRT style, with the spliced eyes both connecting to the same carabineer in the center.

Then, run the tails of both ropes through the carabineer, also. After that, both tails are run through the one single Rope Runner, and down to the ground. What this does is it makes the location of the carabineer the primary suspension point. And the fact that both ropes are running through the same carabineer means that they run close to each other, and parallel to each other, straight down to the Rope Runner.

With this as the setup, Johnny Pro was able to use two foot ascenders to climb, which meant he did not have to hassle with the amount of spring back a bungee might provide for a knee ascender. Each foot was able to rise as much as was possible, comfortably.

The other hugely important aspect of his technique, if I understand it correctly, is that Johnny Pro was able to change the primary suspension point at will, to anywhere along a line delineated by the highest branches on each side of the tree over which the ropes passed. All Johnny Pro had to do was lanyard in, pull his two ropes out of his Rope Runner, and then pull on one rope or the other to cause the carabineer to move left or right. This effectively changes his primary suspension point.

By doing so, he was able to drop right down on top of a limb on the other side of the tree, and easily limb walk out, due to the decreased rope angle.

I've probably already said all of this in a previous post, and this time makes it no clearer. There is no substitute for the video, unfortunately. It's late right now, and I'm tired. Maybe I'll try to draw up a picture and post it here tomorrow.

Thanks for listening, and Kevin, I meant no offense by all of this.

Tim
 
It wasn't me who took it down. I love the video and the technique. I just don't know enough about it to provide meaningful insight.
 
johny pro has a new video on instagram where he uses the two line technique through the runner to perform a ridiculous swing from a skyscraper crane in downtown colombus.
 
It's in a thread titled "rope runner". I'm not sure how to post a link to it, but it's a couple pages back in the SRT forum.
Thanks, I found his donuts video on page 12 of the rope runner thread. I see whats going on now! It's a pretty slick idea. Don't think Id use it work climbing but if I had more time to rec climb I think it would be a lot of fun. You could get your anchor just right for some big swings etc. Does anyone know more about if he widened or modded his rope runner to accommodate the two smaller lines? I'm curious if I can do this with my bulldog bone. Should probably start a new thread about this if one doesn't exist, it's gotten me pretty interested in knowing more about it.
 
I've probably already said all of this in a previous post, and this time makes it no clearer. There is no substitute for the video, unfortunately. It's late right now, and I'm tired. Maybe I'll try to draw up a picture and post it here tomorrow.

Tim
It was very clear, Thanks! Now I need to know if he did anything to the rr to run it like that!
 
If I remember correctly, there was no modification. The ropes were small: 8.7 mm
Thanks, I found a thread JohnnyPro started on this called Donuts, no acronyms. Really surprised that it never went anywhere, figured the rest of you guys would eat this up! Hopefully we can get it revived and all gain a little knowledge from it!
 
The extended version - using a floating false crotch - was on the DRT thread. Not sure if it's still there.
 
Thanks, I found a thread JohnnyPro started on this called Donuts, no acronyms. Really surprised that it never went anywhere, figured the rest of you guys would eat this up! Hopefully we can get it revived and all gain a little knowledge from it!

Thanks for posting this reminder. At least there's one video that shows his technique with some degree of detail.

This is a link to the ropes he uses.

http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/201001880_v_4160_60_87_0/8.7-Serenity.html

I'll have to re-read about the details of this rope, but my vague recollection is that it is cutting edge, really strong, really tough rope that is rated to be used by itself or in a double rope system. I think it might also be one of the lightest weight ropes out there.

I bought a Mamut rope as my first climbing line ever about a couple of years ago, and I'm really happy with it and impressed by it. Just my two cents.

Also, I think part of the reason that thread may have died is that Johnny Pro does not reply to questions using text. If he can post a link that answers a question, he seems willing to do that. I've not yet seen him answer a complicated question with a similarly complex, text based answer. That is all ok by me; whatever he's comfortable with. He's so amazing, I'm just really happy whenever he decides to post anything.

Johnny Pro, you've got some huge fans, here! Just want you to know that.

Tim
 

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