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I was willing to let everyone have whatever opinion they would and leave it at that (as if I could stop them . . .) but this graphic drew me in after all.

There is no difference between the mindset that produced and disseminated this image and the mindset that flew planes into the towers. You have become what you hate. As an American, I am embarrassed and offended to see this type of bullshit put forward as patriotic. America is about giving people the freedom to believe what they want and worship how they want. The terrorists want to change that. It seems they succeeded in your case, MB.

Keith
 
You know, the bottom line is were all in this together, and separation of opinion is something that starts a ball rolling that leads to something I know I want no more active roles in.

War is distant to Americans, thus the horror of 9/11. Welcome home bloodshed.

But what I can't sit back and watch is repeats of the rhetoric that sent me gone to kill, and be killed. I thought America had that sewed-up but apparently not. How we can let a Gulf of Tonkin occur again, and let them get away with it, I'll leave to the power of media and manipulation, greed and agenda's not of our own...we are little people who pay, die, and live by the rules we know now are not in the interests of the pions, but the powerful.

Again.

Butch is one man I admire the hell out of, he's also keenly intelligent and wistful of the loss of rights experienced by Americans...first hand, to a degree.

However to those of us who knew enough that a 9/11 was a possibility...of blowback from knowing firsthand what's been going on in foreign policy besides the Beasty Boys and Volvo automobiles, it generates as much shock and horror as the next innocent citizen, but perhaps more so because we question the reaction of those who thought nothing was wrong, we're the best, and to hell with anyone who thinks otherwise. We're making more 9/11's, and from more potential enemies than we once had the support and sympathy of the world in finding and prosecuting. No more comprende?

I have kids. They know me and the scars from last time we lied about threats from the wrong people and intervened in spite of. If they face the same incompetent and falsely-designed boondoggle that I had, the U.S. just made one more deadly enemy, this time from within, for my family comes first, not some hijacked flag a politician representing an oil interest is waving claiming he knows what's best for me and my kids. I choose life for them, a future, and family/friends long before I'd rather have a Espalade Cadillac and to hell with high taxes, brain-damaged wounded troops, or the audit to make sure my books are legitimate.

War to me is personal and real, it doesn't go away when the t.v. is turned off, and time certainly don't do [what???] to heal nothing. Are my memories a dream? You bet, a nightmare...still. Will my son harbor them? Over my dead body.
 
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somewhere, deep in an imaginary swamp, an imaginary possum shed an imaginary tear, stung by MB's imaginary wit.
 
After watching the documentaries on 9/11, one thing that amazes me is how most of the victims and witnesses were "content or at peace" and how all spoke about not fanning hatred or showed much anger. They showed compassion, concern, pain, loss, and surprise/bewilderment, but not an ounce of hate. Even Mayor Rudy publicly stated that we shouldn't hate or let it fester. That is what makes American's so wonderful.
 
I agree times ten, but things have become extremely polarized. I was hoping the anniversary would help heal but it was used as a podium to defend the growing - and failing war.

The widows of the towers are an exceptional bunch a gals, accused by one talkshow host as being "publicity whores". Without their persistant work, there would never have been a 9/11 Commission. It was resisted from the top on down and the recommendations spelled out, still are resisted.

In the big picture, I don't like memorials. It'd be a sterling event for a society to come together to make it almost impossible to have to build something in memory of such a terrible event as they just may be prevented, resources not fought over, and religions influencing the peace they all claim to have dominion on. But hey, we can do wonderfully technological miracles, just getting along is something perhaps us little people can tolerate, but the greedy will forever be hoarding the monopoly on take and adjust a spin to convince us that we hate each other.

War isn't Hollywood, it's real and the feelings of the loss of 9/11 are something most people never had reason to experience up until then, it's my one example how terrible it really is. Words never do, actions can.
 
Have enough problems with chickens - the one's who conduct the wrong wars, lie to start them, and send kids to die without ever having the balls to go themselves.

But thanks anyway - got burgers on the grill.
 
So young Cheney, Wilfowicz, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, DeLay, Bush, and Co. weren't strong enough?

The only decorated soldier they had (Powell) they booted out (and now look what he's saying), but I think Condi Rice would look hot in a camo mono-kini, in Tora Bora dodging friendly fire.
 
I'm talking about the here and now, not some past $hit.

TODAY is what matters.

TOMORROW EVEN MORE.
 
Mine's been so 'one day at a time' for so long, tomorrow's expectations would diminish the importance of today's.

The long shot is, no one will be allowed to get in front of the line that still is long from the last war(s) down at the V.A.

My country, tis to thee.
 
I liked this thread and what is was in the begining. We got to share what we were doing on that day.

Unfortunatlly it became a political struggle and opinions, not just the fact of that day.

Great that you were in war and did not like it. Great that you hate that your friends die. I have a lot of friends die in this war in both Afganistan and Iraq. This is the risk that we VOLUNTEER for. There is no draft.

I have been to both places and understand the people, mindset, and mission. Keep up the good work guys and gals. Keep each other safe and protect us here at home!
 
I just got a call from a bud of mine who just came home from the war yesterday. In talking with him I asked the question he said you know we walking down the main campus area chatting about BS when we got the news and the next thing I knew I was being shipped back to base and off to war. He is a cool cat and blames no one person but those dirrectly involved.
I all of our remembering I can say this fo rthe first time for a long time it was so queit. No over head noise nothing kinda spooked out from that cause you never really figure that into every day life till it is gone.
 
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