I lost a large Contract, read article and see how

The City Planners are asleep at the wheel! Yeah, ok, we'll hire the lowest bidder who has no expertise in the area that they are bidding a municipal contract for? WTF? That seems like a major failure of proper governance and taxpayer dollars.
 
this kind of stuff kills me! i feel your pain! In jersey we have the Certified tree expert designation.This is a STATE certification!! Contract bids do not even require that bidding companies be certified!! Its pure madness and you would think the state would throw us a bone!
 
Ward, you need to get all the facts before you go blaming the city planners. I watched the video of the council meeting on the city web site and the city staff did their job and recommended Cory even though he was 10K higher in bid price. It was the council that didn't have the cohonies to say "too Bad" to the unqualified low bidder. I maintain that many projects like this need to be let as RFP's (Request for Proposal). That way companies can actually sell their services to the muni instead of scrapping over crumbs.

Cory, I hope you come out on top of this one. From the Council vid this Boland guy seems like a piece of work and has friends in high places.
 
After talking with a lawyer this week, it was decided not to pursue a lawsuit. The lawyer said if this was a county or federal project, he would be all over it. Being this is a bonded project, the city says the lowest responsible bidder is one who can provide a performance/payment bond....turns out qualifications mean nothing. The city did finally respond to my protest today via email. It said after the commission talked it over, they decided not to reconsider their decision. Kind of funny, my protest was about the city doing further investigation by inspecting equipment (which if they did, they would have found out that the low bidder lied about what he has), my protest never said "please reconsider".

The low bidder told the city staff during the interview process that they would remove 20 trees, stumps (and backfill stump holes with top soil) a day. They have been on the job for 5 days and have removed about 30 trees. Note: their unit price - $407.00, and this is a prevailing wage contract (lowest wage is $20/hr). This guy is gonna learn the hard way...he used my unit price from last years contract, maybe he should have looked at the other bids too and wondered how I did for so much less than the other bidders (Asplundh was one of them). I'm sure 5 days in he already knows he is f**ked. I will at least get satisfaction in that. I will continue to keep everyone updated as this mess transpires.
 
I know that this won't make you feel any better but we have similar situation here. The City (and they get this attitude from seeing what other municipalities do)feels that it's up to the contractor to prove that they are actually incompetent.

The don't actually say that of course but it's the tendering process to take the lowest bidder who meets the minimum requirements. No real due diligence just a paper exercise.

A lot of the contract tree work here goes to a very competent contractor, lucky for the City that he's here. But the City forester still subs out work to appear fair, to some pretty sketchy "competent on paper" contractors.
Not just tree work falls into this somewhat ridiculous category but almost all of our road constuction, sewer and water and goodness knows what else.

About all that you're ever going to be able to do is continue to work with your City Forester and slowly change the way that the upper management thinks regarding trees and liabilities.
Tough to lose out a great tree contract to what is basically a plumber.
 
I just want to give my two cents in this:

First here is the back-ground story:

I have done quite a bit of work this past year as a sub for a local company. The bulk of my work has been doing removals for a local municipality. This municipality was hiring and I applied for the job and did not get the job. The irony is that the municipality went with the company that I was working with to remove large American Elms that were infected with DED. The contract was awarded to the company I was subbing for because it gave the lowest bid. These trees were in the 18-45" diameter range. As you can probably imagine, there was a VAST range of canopy diameter and difficulty in removal. After working all summer on these trees (many of which were truly monsters for our area and required expertise in almost all areas of the removal process, I have come to the conclusion that the reason the work was contracted out to a private firm was that the municipality realized it couldn't do the job without a drastic allocation of already scant resources. Add to that the fact that I had to replace two side-walk tiles that I broke when I didn't rope a piece. I am insured and I accept that the responsibility was mine to pay for my mistakes. This mistake happened at the beginning of the contract and thus I was compelled to rope any large wood over the sidewalks. This slowed me down considerably and added to the operational costs of the job. Because the operational costs were higher than the contractor expected he was in my @$$ all summer try to get me to go faster and get more and more done in a ten hour day. I realized that without my expertise he couldn't have been even close to profitable and that his company would have been doing work for free for most of the fall. For various reasons including the facts that he refused to maintain his bucket-trucks' annual inspections, and that on my last day the truck rolled away from me when I put up the out-riggers because the E-brake was shot and no chocks were provided to chock the tires (I cut wooden chocks that instant and used them), I quit working with him. I have looked at several trees that were to be removed by the end of October and they are still standing. My assumptions, so far, have been proven correct in that he's not getting it done for the municipality without me. His guys don't wear PPE without me demanding it and there is no culture of safety whatsoever in his organization. He was a low-baller and I helped him out because I was new to town and needed work.

Now here is my two cents:

I think that if this doofus wants to under-bid you by $10G, then you should let him hang. I understand that the bid you gave was well thought out and that it would have been the low bid if said doofus had not underbid you. I also understand that your community would have been given a thorough job that would have been completed within a proper and agreed to time-frame. I think it's honorable that you even tried to hire a lawyer to communicate what a terrible idea it is to have the under-qualified doofus do the work. Good on you for trying. However, I am convinced that the process is flawed when the low-baller gets the job! The municipality wants to get a difficult and expensive problem solved for as little as possible and politics dictate that those involved in the decision-making process be more conscious of the cost of the contract than the cost to fix the disaster that will most surely afflict the municipality in the aftermath of the low-baller's attempt to complete a job on which they had no business to bid. I believe that either the municipality or the low-baller doofus will be on the hook for such items as broken sidewalks, crushed cars, damaged homes, and (hopefully not) injured or even killed workers or bystanders. Either the contract states that the doofus is liable for damages or the politicians are being incredibly irresponsible with the tax dollars that have been entrusted to them by their constituents. Perhaps what will happen is that the municipality will have to award a new contract to a company to finish the job. I would like to suggest that you look into getting involved in the future in the process of determining the rules by which your municipality follows when it awards contracts for tree work. You could donate your time as a public service. Be professional and give the proper advice even when it means that your company may not be awarded a contract this time around. You will be benefiting your community in a number of ways and if you get involved may even make a difference in the future. I have been left feeling miffed to say the least by my experience with this process and I am sure that you have too. Thanks for sharing and good luck in the future. I think that municipal contracts are certainly an important aspect of a diverse work portfolio. However if communities don't value arboriculture and want to give tree removal contracts to unqualified doofuses, then citizens will have to speak up and demand that those who made the decisions about handing out the contracts be taken to task. Additionally qualified arborists may be uninterested in bidding on municipal contracts in communities which don't require minimum standards beyond the low bid. It's political, it's personal, it's local. Get involved and make a difference. Wow, for only two-cents, you all got your money's worth! Thanks for listening and thanks MTGriz for posting.

BTW MTGriz, I spent three summers in Babb, MT... I hope you make it out to GNP once in a while.
 
Well put. What is most important in the process is not that the low bidder is a doofus but that the town's mayor and council is ill advised in forming the bid specs. Said bid should require adherence to the OSHA regulations for the work being performed. Also, compliance to all governing traffic control laws. If they are serious they can raise the bar by requiring that the bids will be based on meeting the standards as set forth in ANSI. To top it off, all bids will include documentation for equipment being used to ensure that it is in proper working order and inspected in accordance with the acts pertaining to this.

By doing this the bidders will at least be on a level playing field and eliminate some of the problems as cited in previous posts. All of this really is minimum requirements of any municipality for its own operations. The town's attorney I'm sure would expect this. The problem in this case it would seem is the reliance on the bond to indemnify the town and hold the bidder to account for anything going amiss. Let's just hope somebody doesn't pay for it with their life or wellbeing.
 

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