How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Groundie

Re: How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Grou

"I like to use a carabiner on the end of the rigging line instead of a knot, with or without a loop of webbing "

I've seen this technique used before on some videos, is this a legit technique? my fear is of the biner loading improperly...
 
Re: How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Grou

Tommy

There are a few problems I see with your technique.
1) Carabiners aren't rated for side loading, you run the risk of applying too much torque to the gate, causing failure... especially with big wood or long drops.

2) each time you untie and tie a knot, it gives you the chance to do a quick inspection on that section of rope... When using the beaner, I assume you're doing it so that you don't have to untie knots at all.

3) Cycles to failure. A beaner isn't an ideal piece of equipment to receive multiple shock loads. To further that thought, the bight in the anchoring knot where you're beaner is attached, is also receiving multiple shock loads, stressing all of the rope fibers in a very small section of rope. At least when you're un-tying the knots you're moving those fibers back to their normal position, and when re-tying the knots, you've changed the loading point on the rope, reducing the chances for short term failure.

Just my two cents, hope it helps.
 
Re: How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Grou

#4 always look up weather you think your outta harms way or not
#5 always wear your gloves if roping leather is good

#6 When lowering think of brakes on your car don't slam to a stop slow down gradually unless told otherwise

#7 you work with somebody not for somebody
 
Re: How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Grou

Biner...not beaner.

For light loads a biner for knotless rigging is perfectly acceptable. Rigging is always based on a chain of breaking strengths. If any piece is going to take too large a load a change is needed.

Steel biners only for rigging.
 
Re: How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Grou

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THE ONLY THING THAT STRESSES ME OUT ABOUT A GROUND GUY, IS WHEN THEY WONT LEARN A COUPLE SIMPLE KNOTS, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THAT YOU TRY TO TEACH THEM, SO THEY CAN GET WHAT YOU NEED TO YOU, A BOWLINE OR CLOVE HITCH! RULE 30, LEARN A COUPLE OF KNOTS! EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NOT CLIMING OR RIGGING, THEY STILL COME IN HANDY!

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This is the eternal struggle for a climber.
 
Re: How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Grou

#9 - I understand that listening to Justin Beiber with your ear buds in while you are climbing really pumps you up and fuels your climb... but don't ask me why there is a dead hanger in the tree, after I yelled at the top of my lungs during your entire descent for you not to forget it... but of course you couldn't hear me.
 
My idea of excellent groundie: One who knows one step ahead, excellent on ropes & rigg, excellent on sawing and cleaning. Most of all one who always trying to be better then me, he'll have to rescue my [pick a different word] if i'm hurt.
 
No sense in cutting it down fast if it can't get cleaned up fast. More important than that is weather your putting it down or picking it up worry about safe before fast.
 
Great thread. When I first learned tree work we went out in crews of two, both climbers both capable of doing ground work. Usually we just kind of rotated days which one of us did the climbing and which did the ground work. When the tree was done we both finished up the ground. I have always thought I learned a lot from that time.

A lot of comments throughout the thread refer to communication challenges for this reason or that. If that is an issue for you look at the thread “RopeTec Comm. ...” in Rant and Rave.
 
Everytime I got down I just wanted to go home to family ASAP. So it was whatever it takes. Paying people a day rate salary helps with this.
 
Re: How to be an Excellent Climber---from the Grou

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THE ONLY THING THAT STRESSES ME OUT ABOUT A GROUND GUY, IS WHEN THEY WONT LEARN A COUPLE SIMPLE KNOTS, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THAT YOU TRY TO TEACH THEM, SO THEY CAN GET WHAT YOU NEED TO YOU, A BOWLINE OR CLOVE HITCH! RULE 30, LEARN A COUPLE OF KNOTS! EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NOT CLIMING OR RIGGING, THEY STILL COME IN HANDY!

[/ QUOTE ] i can surely agree on this one. It is quite annoying when you need something raised up to you in the tree and the ground guy knows not a single knot. Thats one thing that irritates me but its kinda a good thing the my best friend who islike a brother to me all think the same and use all the same knots which makes it easier.
 
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I really like the idead of a climber being a groundie first!!


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Amen to that! No other way of better understanding.
 
-Starting from ground worker to climber-

#? If a tie-in point looks suspect or sketchy make sure the climber is aware. Some things get missed with only one set of eyes.

#?? Make sure to point out sprinkler heads or irrigation control boxes to the climber so they do not accidentally crush them.
 
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