Especially on SRT, I think the new versions of the ZZs are more heavy duty and better suited for tree work, with or without the built-in swivel. The earlier versions just seem more rickety in comparison.
Yes, that's what I'm specifically taking about, SRT, the rest of the time I'm 100% cool with the swivel's position.. it don't even cross my mind. Yes the "original" version was not as beefy.. if you jump a generation & see the newest 2-3 hole design, it has been totally updated. The swivel has either been moved a tad, given enough room, or placed in such a way that it can fully articulate & be used SRT without ending up leveraged against something.
Personally, I'd go with the 3 hole design & hopefully gain some headspace..
But! I just bought this uber versitile HHX instead so hopefully l'll never need spend another dime on gadgets!!!! Right? Right?
I’d climb on those worn ones all day probably, that doesn’t look like much wear at all. Maybe I’m missing something looking through my little phone.
Still, good on CMI for being perfectionists.
Cali is on my wishlist. I got a couple Rooks, and like them, but glides a little too well sometimes.
Exactly.. me too.. I don't think your missing anything..
Note where that notice says it's not a notice to discontinue use..
Yet i guarantee there's a gaggle of Insta-Arbs clammering for refunds or free exchanges, probably the same ones who caused the hysteria about it in the first place & halted production..
Note to public -"Send all CMI California Swivels with two days of real use.. or more, to Joeybagodonuts!"
Yeah yeah, i know it's life support, it's no joke, but com'on, every single peice of gear i own that gets used for real work shows similar wear like that, especially if shaped like that. All my RE swivels with squared edges look just like that picture.. i honestly can't even see material worn away from that tech notice's example, there's still hard raised lines from manufacturing running through the "Worn" section, it purley just looks like the color is missing, that's it!!!! Id bet money they were i-net shamed into pulling it as opposed to an actual problem. Otherwise it would have been recalled.
Haha.. that's for sure Bango, that Rook will take you from 0 - 100 if you ain't used to it!! Lol.. It always sneaks up on me when my bridge is extended a bit & I reach down for my foot ascender.. I don't think i gave it enough time, but I've always liked less weight & a little more friction up there anyways. The CMI CS seemed like a good compromise until someone had to ruin all the fun.
Sure I will get a picture.
My understanding is, the "fault" in the original was that the hard coat would wear off where the bridge rubs it. There is or was an advisory pdf about it on treestuff in the details of the cali. If the hard coat is not worn off, i think there is no problem. I have never heard of a failure, but that doesn't mean one didn't happen. The redesign doesn't mean a failure did happen either, it just means cmi is doing their best to not have one. If the redesign is just a reformulation of the hard coat or application process, it might not be a visible difference. I actually don't know why it would matter if the hard coat wears off unless it made a sharp edge. If the metal wore more than 20 or 30 percent, I could see being concerned, but those things are thick! Half of that swivel is thicker than most rings. And its rated for what, 40kn? I'm going to see if I can find anything else out about it too.
Exactly.. The coat that's it...
Why Pull it? Just phase existing ones out & slip in the new one..
Yes, on both accounts. I'll try to make time to experiment with them. Rather swamped right now.
Oh fancy! You got both! Nice! Yes, please look into that, although i don't think it would have enough clearance to pivot like this HHX shackle does, it would be nice to know what fits what.. i deff like those shackles... it's just one toy at a time here lately.. be nice to know when i get around to purchase.
Thanks Jeff.
- Last comment here i swear
Anyone know what rich is dipping his rope ends in? The viper & boa? Whatever it is, it's rock hard & seals the unmeltable aramids from fray very nice. I sure could use this product for other projects.. it's not just regular clear whip dip is it?
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