Has any one had a trusted worker, operate the lift from the base, inbetween the arborist making cuts?

27RMT0N said:
He had a habit of asking questions, having no real-world experience and then disregarding the advice of professionals who have been doing this work for years/decades.

(more to the story, but that's the relevant part)
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Oh, the ones here saying he had no real world experience, know of certainty, he didn't?
It's not very probable to agree with everything, tree work is an applied science, not every situation will have the same outcome.
One should not disagree for the sake of disagreeing, neither the inverse.
Some may be too rigid, in what is possible and could be beneficial, out of not accepting, new ideas.

I think some of the rigidity is attached to the stigma of, "if all won't/cannot do it, then some must not", when it doesn't involve tree health practices.
Some may ask questions to get an idea of what others think of something, they do.
Just a way to gather nuances of ideas and practices.
 
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@treesap was 14 years old, giving advice gleaned from YouTube videos and other Buzz threads, to actual working climbers who had real questions. When confronted with the reality of his advice being theoretical only, he refused to accept that he didn't already know everything. He weeded himself out of this forum by being full of baloney and hubris despite being given many chances to learn from the community here.
 
reminded of belay speed climb with this technique, could be faster. could be safer. could be slower could be more dangerous.
Too many variables.
@Willber society tends to try to shut down creativity that isn't the norm.
I believe you can win with this technique in certain situation, not all but at times.
Happy Family day to all
 
I’ve had to do that while working for the utility doing routine pruning I was still pretty fresh so it was a totally weird experience but had nothing but trust for my bud operating the controls also it was so low impact perfect bucket positioning on a flat street doing handsaw work
 
Trusted is a subjective perception.

What is the risk versus reward?

Risk: you get smashed with hydraulic power into the tree.
Reward: you saved yourself 6 minutes, and used the other guy's time, turning a one-person job into a two person job.


I roll the opposite.

I can position myself best, and will often rope down and detach my rigged pieces solo, making the climber and roper jobs smooth, and performed by one person, leaving the groundie to do untold number of things.



Keep your safety to yourself. Or don't. Rely on other people for your safety. Your choice.
 
Willber said:
An example of why all post on a thread should be readable on one page. To consolidate threads, by not having duplication of ideas, etc.
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Actually, the opposite. A full page means things aren’t broken up, triggering most to skim more and read less. I started reading from the beginning, but glossed over at the similar flavor the thread had to others you’ve started.
 
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Willber said:
An example of why all post on a thread should be readable on one page. To consolidate threads, by not having duplication of ideas, etc.
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This isn't going to happen.

Too hard to follow long threads is one reason

The more practical reason is that loading a long thread or one that has lots of pictures takes time. On phones or slow connections things would become like dial-up.
 
Stumpsprouts said:
You ask a question, you get several answers from professionals, you tell them all they’re wrong. What’s the point?
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I was simply gathering info, on if people had done it, and what they thought of it. Wasn't simply not going to do it, because others had difficulty with it.
Culturally society has changed over the last hundred years, by influence of the papacy, but that's another thing many don't understand.
 
Crimsonking said:
So, I haven’t seen anyone mention the fact that a second guy is tied up using the lift when they could be doing other things on site, like cleaning up the material coming down. If you have, my apologies.

I don’t care how much snappier the controls are on the ground, how much time it takes to rack a saw, or any other small pause that comes from the cutter operating the controls- the other operator will not speed things up enough to justify the loss of a man working the ground. It is inefficient, cost-deficient, and adds needless complication/risks.
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It was mentioned, in that the drop zone could only be in one, quite tight target, so the pulling from that zone was not ideal. And, the cuts, then throws to the drop zone, were happening fast enough, were it was greatly time affective to have [the only ground guy] move the lift. We dismantled two 40ft white birch trees leaning over a garage in 1 hr.
I assure you it was fast.
I just don't see how other commenters don't see how it's faster [when the ground operator can sufficiently see the locations needing to be], that having someone else operate the lift, it'd be faster.

Lol, and the risk factors are minimal, unless the base operator is inadequate, or the cutter is careless to have his hands/body/saw out side the basket right were the basket might hit the tree. But, even hitting the tree is unacceptable, so that is mute. But, I did make sure my saw/body was out of harms way when the basket was in motion.

Though, this base operation would not work for all situations, like throughly pruning of a tree, especially when the cutter raises to the lofts of the crown. It's great for dismantles, especially were there is limited drop zone.
 
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Tom Dunlap said:
This isn't going to happen.

Too hard to follow long threads is one reason

The more practical reason is that loading a long thread or one that has lots of pictures takes time. On phones or slow connections things would become like dial-up.
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Sir, I understand what you are saying. It was mention for it to a be an option. How many posts were on each page would remain unchanged, unless the viewer selected to "View All Posts".
And, then one could use the browser search function. That would allow for a search within a search, so to speak.
 
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Njdelaney said:
@treesap was 14 years old, giving advice gleaned from YouTube videos and other Buzz threads, to actual working climbers who had real questions. When confronted with the reality of his advice being theoretical only, he refused to accept that he didn't already know everything. He weeded himself out of this forum by being full of baloney and hubris despite being given many chances to learn from the community here.
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Oh, sounds like a provocateur. One should always use common sense and glean what one should from others.
Without being a provocateur, unless it's jovial provocateuring, for the humor of all involved.

What makes one difficult is when they are unreasonable, I always try to be reasonable, and not say something of certainty, unless I can speak from firsthand knowledge.
 
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southsoundtree said:
Trusted is a subjective perception.

What is the risk versus reward?

Risk: you get smashed with hydraulic power into the tree.
Reward: you saved yourself 6 minutes, and used the other guy's time, turning a one-person job into a two person job.


I roll the opposite.

I can position myself best, and will often rope down and detach my rigged pieces solo, making the climber and roper jobs smooth, and performed by one person, leaving the groundie to do untold number of things.



Keep your safety to yourself. Or don't. Rely on other people for your safety. Your choice.
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The reward? Learning to work even better with your trusted base operator. For even smoother, even better results, though it will plateau at some point. And, of course time saved.

Getting smashed by the basket, would only happen if the cutter was not careful to keep all extremities within the basket, when it started to move. Also, even brushing the tree or large branches, is unacceptable, so that would/should not occur.

I think safety is perceived far too cliche, for each given situation.
 
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So you’re going to avoid addressing the point that you are tying up two people’s production on a one-man operation? I understand that you feel like you guys were fast, but it’s not likely that you compensated for taking the ground person from other duties.
 
Crimsonking said:
So you’re going to avoid addressing the point that you are tying up two people’s production on a one-man operation? I understand that you feel like you guys were fast, but it’s not likely that you compensated for taking the ground person from other duties.
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Oh my, the point was addressed. :rolleyes: It seems there's is a lack of review of what was the situation. It has being stated at least once, in at least one way.
 
Willber said:
Oh my, the point was addressed. :rolleyes: It seems there's is a lack of review of what was the situation. It has being stated at least once, in at least one way.
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This is getting pointless, but I’ll keep going. You said it was fast, but you’ve yet to state with any confidence or certainty that it compensated for a ground man fulfilling other duties. Frankly, with the disposition you’ve communicated consistently on this forum, I’m not sure if trust your claim if you did say it outright.
 
Crimsonking said:
This is getting pointless, but I’ll keep going. You said it was fast, but you’ve yet to state with any confidence or certainty that it compensated for a ground man fulfilling other duties. Frankly, with the disposition you’ve communicated consistently on this forum, I’m not sure if trust your claim if you did say it outright.
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Pointless, because you aren't convincing me that it wasn't faster? For you, you're confident it wouldn't be faster, which I guess you'll have to really try, to confidently dismiss.

I did state earlier that there was only one guy working with me, and he couldn't collect the branches or feed the chipper, with any branches, because the only thing to do was to chip the branches/pieces of the birches, that were being thrown to the only available drop zone, for the two trees being dismantled.
So, he would've had to wait to start chipping anyway.
Him moving the lift DID compensate for other things he could've been doing, because him moving the lift enabled us to dismantle the two tree in less time, and enabled us to both chip (faster), when it was safe to approach the drop zone.

Edit: So, somehow, I'm not trust worthy, because I like to use DRT, want a rope that is smooth and stays very round, don't like the cumbersomeness of a helmet, and like to properly cut as much deadwood as I can, (which many professionals say, very much helps a tree heal over faster.)
 
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