handsaw pants

thats is cute , buy the pants , but when dealing with those dangerous one hand handsaws , you can't buy this , maybe on the black market , your born with it , and if you have major problems , like cutting your juglar with a handsaw while deadwooding a dogwood than blame your great great pappy . Or just let someone else with a better , healthier family tree dead wood the Dogwood . Than you really need one of these . I heard Sherrill is gonna start selling them next year , inside info....
 

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I'm not sure if I trust the one I got so much anymore. I have had three injuries since 96'. All of them could have been prevented by PPE. The first, my foreman had taped down the front triggers of all the hedgetrimmers. My hungover 18 year old self of course did exactly what having two triggers was designed to prevent. I severed 3/4 of the tip of my pinky finger. Second injury was when i for some reason was cutting high weeds down with my chainsaw without safety glasses and got something in my eye that really sucked for like a week. Then, this third accident really has kind of f'd me up and could have been easily prevented with a little protection and or a little better thinking. My brain definitely short circuits from time to time. Ill give you that. I have made some bad decisions including mistaking my leg for a branch. If I cant trust it, i have to defend against it. I have had some other accidents that would have been bad had I not been wearing a helmet. I just am not satisfied with the huge blankets that chainsaw chaps are. I also hate the idea of spending 200 on a pair of pants.

Chewbacca that vision has been cracking me up all day thinking about the spikes in the steering wheel and how everyone would be driving.
 
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Guys... it's Kevin. He's no idiot.

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Exactly, and this scares me.

Kevin has proven, with his innovative climbing systems,to be a master in analyzing the cause and effect in the physics of our work environment.

I am all for protective gear, just not its use as protection from bad work practices. On this forum we not only climb trees, we work in trees. With sharp tools! With "several scars on his leg" he is demonstrating bad work practices.

Our job is often harsh and unforgiving of small mistakes. Too many people lost. I like Kevin and want to keep him around. I feel there is a lot we can learn from him.

Dave
 
Anyone who's been slammed by an airbag knows that it hurts like hell, spikes unnecessary... but i do like the principle you're driving at.

There's no substitute for using tools carefully but who hasn't cut something they didn't want to cut? Even light handsaws have follow through unless you slow waaay down at the end of the cut.

If the arborist has some years in it's pretty clear that lineage doesn't have anything to do with it. Should we all be so smart as to never need a helmet because we never put ourselves in a position to take a hit? How the hell does a person's genetics play into that? This isn't all balls and brains, circumstance is a big player.

If all you cut is big wood then it's easy to take your time with every piece but if you do fine pruning you have a lot more cuts to make and only so much time to to make them. Fine pruning pays less but it takes more time than hazard pruning or takedowns... you have to work fast to make money at it.

More PPE is better than less so long as it gets used. Heavy SIPS will stay in the drawer during the Summer but light ones will get worn... especially if they look cool and are cool. $200 is a bich though.
 
Am I the only one here with scars from climbing trees with sharp tools? but yeah, cutting yourself is very dumb and i deserve getting flamed for it. I still wouldn't mind a little more protection while climbing. protect me from me. After This last incident, psychologically, my legs feel naked and bare and exposed, like I'm wearing shorts.

I would like to promise myself that I will never again cut any body part with my handsaw again. The odds are against me on that one. I use them too much, they are just too sharp, and my skin is too thin. I've learned the lesson a few times the hard way already so its not that I don't know. Might as well try to stack the odds back in my favor a little bit. I don't want to find out what a tap with the o 20 feels like and I presume that a good handsaw protective pant would help finding out.

It is true that I have been doing this for a while and never really imagined that a handsaw could hurt that frickin bad. I guess this post is a little bit of a warning too. "watch out for your handsaws" yeah yeah, heard it before. I'm telling you again.
 
There is an accepted cascading process for dealing with risk management. One of the steps is to isolate the potential hazard from the operator. Before that though...is to change the process. Anyone who has done what Kevin has shared and got away with it is just 'that' close to an injury.

In Don Blair's first, and only, printed catalog he had a chapter titled 'Sharp things that cut'. It was a long chapter.
 
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Am I the only one here with scars from climbing trees with sharp tools?

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Nope I have scars on my shins too, maybe I should stop doing tree work already
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don't take the silky 16" surgio to do fine prunes. there isn't enough of a tooth count to make fine cuts. the wide tooth pattern causes the saw to hang up more in the smaller material of fine pruning thus creating a more dangerous situation. or use hand pruners to do the smaller work; they tend to be faster and leave a better cut in the small stuff anyway. i have a rule on deadwooding with a handsaw: turn the handsaw over and wack the deadwood with the backside of the handsaw first, if it don't break, then cut it.
 
I work nice and slow, never face the teeth of a saw toward my body or rope and go for position on every cut... unless something is making me work outside my preferred envelope. It's outside that envelope that I kissed my knee with a 200T, hit my other knee with a Sugoi and whacked my left index finger with an Ichiban... never mind objective hazards like root rot and weak branch unions. I'm careful, those things happened and plenty more forgettable cuts, bruises and abrasions happened too. I wish I could always work inside that comfy, cozy envelope but I can't, not and make a living. I tip my hat to those of you who can.

This is not a safe vocation, we put a lot of time and effort into NOT getting hurt... but to NEVER get hurt? There aren't a handful of climbers with 5 years under their belt that haven't had SOMETHING happen.

Advancing PPE is a GOOD thing. Making it lighter and less burdensome is a GOOD thing. Why argue otherwise?
 
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I work nice and slow, never face the teeth of a saw toward my body or rope ... unless something is making me work outside my preferred envelope.

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"...something is making me"???

I can only speak for myself, but I am not against better and lighter PPEs. I am, however, mystified how many workers rely on this protective equipment to the point of ignoring good work practices. It does no good if you handle a gun safely MOST of the time. Tree work is the same. Gravity never sleeps.
What we do will always have risk and sometimes great risk. The very best way to avoid injury is making the choice to do so. All too often what we call accidents are in truth bad judgment.

Dave
 
I have never nicked my skin with a chainsaw.

I have had a few minor scratches with a handsaw.

A co-worker has been nicking himself with handsaw almost ever week lately, he says, "maybe you should take it away from me."

I said, you gotta work on thinking about the plain that the saw is working in. Picture that saw continueing in the direction you are using it.

Is any body part (or anything else important) in the direction the blade is going?

always treat it like the blade is going to continue in it's path. If it would contact something important, change things so it can not.

Sometimes I work with a handsaw or hatchet (on the ground, cutting a girdling root) with my left hand behind my back.

It made me wonder what caused me to have proper technique.

I was thinking first it was because I used to play with butterfly knives as a teenager.

then i thought of something.

When I was like 10 years old, I was trying to cut bailing twine with a dull pen knife, I folded the twine over the blade, held it tight and pulled the blade toward myself. Well, after a lot of force it cut the twine, but the blade continued and hit me in the eye. it cut a small sliver off my cornea. Wow, it was painful.

My eye luckily healed without any scar, with medicine and eyepatch.

But, maybe, because of my age at the time and the event, it helped me be more careful with cutting tools and their path of cutting.
 
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