Growth regulator / impressed !

macrocarpa

macrocarpa

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Really this post should be on the pest and fert forum, but nobody would see it there.

I saw the best results from growth regulating on lacebark elms.

The homeowner had me prune them to tuck in the long whisp that shoot out all over every year, 3-4 ft a season it seems. 2 lacebarks elms outgrowing the space they were planted in. I tucked in the scragly whisps all around the canopy, elevated and cleaned out the canopy + growth regulated last fall (1 year ago).

I looked at the trees this week and they don't look like they have grown at all (barely). Dark green leaves and still a tight canopy.

There are many trees I have gone back and looked at after GR and had to imagine I noticed results. But these were evident!

Sounded like snake oil when I sold it, but now a Happy customer.
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Macro,

Is this Ulmus parvifolia?

Unreal, so in time.

I have a customer I've trimmed a chinese elm every 2 years for a long time now after some idiot topped it.

this year they are sick of the fast growth and decided they want it down even though they said they will miss it.

I said that growth regulator might help but I wasn't sure.

Wow, maybe I'll pass this on to them if you are so positive.
 
growth regulator for trees = man failing miserably to understand nature
 
When the forest was cleared, top soil removed, pavement laid, cracker jack vinyl houses erected and then chinese elms planted in the front yards...I figured what the hell, a little paclobutrazol is nothing compared to the damage already done.
 
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growth regulator for trees = man failing miserably to understand nature

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So tru, so true. Fortunately i don't have to struggle with such ethical quandries because paclo isn't registered for use in canada. Well, actually it is but only for bonzai trees, the epitome of man trying to control nature.

Paclo should be grouped in with turf care and tree fertilizers. And Imidacloprid in many cases. Sometimes necessary but still a backwards way of managing nature.

That said, i have many clients' trees that would benefit from a growth regulator.

vince
 
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Paclo ...Sometimes necessary but still a backwards way of managing nature.
That said, i have many clients' trees that would benefit from a growth regulator.

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Hm sounds a bit oxymoronic. Are we really "managing nature", or just taking better care of trees?

Perhaps tree owners up there can be given info on ordering and diy?
 
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Hm sounds a bit oxymoronic. Are we really "managing nature", or just taking better care of trees?

What do they do to off-label users up there? Keelhauling? Drawn-and-quartered?

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Is there a better way to describe landscape management? Perhaps "nature" isn't a word that belongs at all?

Up here off label use is punished by the offender's choice of solitary confinemnet in a igloo for a week or a fight with a polar bear. Sometimes you get let off easy with an 8 second moose ride as punishment. Worst is when you're fined with trying to save 30 slapshots without wearing a cup.

But really i've never been inspected/approached/asked/thought of by anyone that has any ability to issue fines in the pesticides department. I'm not sure what the fines would be for off label use or how someone would even find out.

Truly the lack of pesticide etc. availability makes it much easier for property owners to tolerate low pest levels instead of blasting a tree as soon as you see one caterpillar.

Last time i was at a conference in the country to the south of us, i approached many PHC product providers and asked if their products were usable in Canada; they rolled their eyes in frustration with our restrictions. The restrictions can be frustrating but i much prefer them to the wide use of pesticides that would result otherwise.

vince
 
note i edited my post; dumb thing to say.

Perhaps tree owners up there can be given info on ordering and diy? or would that involve smuggling?

no cup, yikes; could be singing alto after that!
 
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Perhaps tree owners up there can be given info on ordering and diy? or would that involve smuggling?



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Hmm, two ethical problems. Use of chemicals and drug smuggling..... Tree drug smuggling.

I smuggled a coffee maker across the border a few weeks ago and broke a sweat about it. Our border guards carry guns now y'know.

v
 
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Are we really "managing nature", or just taking better care of trees?



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The Russian Air Force flies through the clouds above the Kremlin dropping a mixture of cement powder, silver iodide and liquid nitrogen into the clouds to absorb the moisture and prevent rain fall during holiday weekends and parades.

When Americans use growth regulator on trees they are doing the same as what the Russians are doing to the clouds.
 
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When the forest was cleared, top soil removed, pavement laid, cracker jack vinyl houses erected and then chinese elms planted in the front yards...I figured what the hell, a little paclobutrazol is nothing compared to the damage already done.

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I tend to agree, although I second guess myself a lot. The urban landscape is nowhere near natural. I believe we do best by all the plant and animal species we co-exist with in urban spaces when we attempt to mimic Nature as best we can. For example, things like cycling organics via leaving fallen leaves or composting them is one such measure.

Our very presence in the intensely managed urban landscape means we often do things that are nowhere near natural.

I don't see using a growth regulator as that big a deal in the context of urban life. Never seen it used here. Our climate is a natural growth regulator!!!

But I would satisfy myself on a point or two before proceeeding. Is this growth regulator injected or soil applied? What are the consequences of leaching, if soil applied? I would answer this before using. Unanticipated consequences and collateral damage are the hallmark of poorly advised or understood human intervention in natural processes.
 
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I smuggled a coffee maker across the border a few weeks ago and broke a sweat about it. Our border guards carry guns now y'know.

v

[/ QUOTE ]In NZ and Singapore airports I had dogs sniffing around my private area at baggage claim. But they did not bite--no paclo or anything else suspicious on my person!

Using chemicals ethically does not seem like an ethical problem. I understand leachability to be low with paclo.
 
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