got me a new toy

[treesap]

challenge yourself with other techniques?

the only way to get good is practice, I cant be on a removal working for a company, and be scared to death on spurrs, thats how you get killed

dont even think about doing something on a working climb till you have tried it on your own time in a controlled environment

 

[alexanderowen]

the only way to get good is practice, I cant be on a removal working for a company, and be scared to death on spurrs, thats how you get killed

dont even think about doing something on a working climb till you have tried it on your own time in a controlled environment

A good company isn’t going to put you on spurs to work when you have never used them before, that’s silly. You are hurting the trees and most likely forming bad habits.

 

[southsoundtree]

yes

and also, people correct me on stuff because they have zero idea how much experience I actually have, do you really think id be stupid enough to give someone advice unless I know what im talking about

Rico is an asshole for no real reason

People do A Lot.





People correct people who are wrong, by definition.

A disagreement of opinion is an entirely different matter.

 

[treesap]

likely forming bad habits.

how?

I spur one or two trees that nobody cares about and/or is being removed anyways

and 80% if my climbs I dont wear spurs, SRT or Ddrt

 

[Tom Dunlap]

dont even think about doing something on a working climb till you have tried it on your own time in a controlled environment

That's only one model of learning a skill. There are many, many more.

The first time I put on a harness and spikes was to do a removal. The tree was in the open so there was no rigging. I had a good mentor/teacher right there to correct me as I worked my way up the tree. A close relationship between student/teacher works.

Over the years I trained many climbers. Most of them only climbed at work with me. Some would study videos or read materials I shared with them. Others did no out of work study.

Other climbers hired on who needed to be taught proper techniques. They were on their own to figure things out or learned from someone who didn't know the right way to climb.

There is a axiom of sorts in teaching that states that a student will only absorb 10% of what they are taught. In order to absorb the other 90% of what is in the lesson plan they need to study more.

Now, what happens if their teacher only knew 10% of what they needed?

Do the math...

 

[alexanderowen]

That's only one model of learning a skill. There are many, many more.

The first time I put on a harness and spikes was to do a removal. The tree was in the open so there was no rigging. I had a good mentor/teacher right there to correct me as I worked my way up the tree. A close relationship between student/teacher works.

Over the years I trained many climbers. Most of them only climbed at work with me. Some would study videos or read materials I shared with them. Others did no out of work study.

Other climbers hired on who needed to be taught proper techniques. They were on their own to figure things out or learned from someone who didn't know the right way to climb.

There is a axiom of sorts in teaching that states that a student will only absorb 10% of what they are taught. In order to absorb the other 90% of what is in the lesson plan they need to study more.

Now, what happens if their teacher only knew 10% of what they needed?

Do the math...

From what I’ve done I think that nothing beats training WITH an expert. Reading and studying helps and so does training by yourself but in my opinion training with a pro is a must. Would you read a bit about driving and watch some YouTube videos and then try to drive on a highway?

 

[southsoundtree]

yes

and also, people correct me on stuff because they have zero idea how much experience I actually have, do you really think id be stupid enough to give someone advice unless I know what im talking about

Rico is an asshole for no real reason

Rico is telling truth after seeing lots of broken up tree peeps, over decades.

Rico has seen bs technique for decades.







I'm kinda an @sshole about people endangering me.

I strongly suggest people don't endanger themselves.
I've seen the "I know, I know, I know!" attitude for years.

No Thank You.


Some get hurt feelings, some learn, grow, and retain intact bodies and minds.




Trees are very rarely dangerous. People are very commonly dangerous.

 

[treesap]

From what I’ve done I think that nothing beats training WITH an expert. Reading and studying helps and so does training by yourself but in my opinion training with a pro is a must. Would you read a bit about driving and watch some YouTube videos and then try to drive on a highway?

absolutely correct

learn it, then have someone train you, then practice, then use it

thats what I do whenever possible, I have a local arborist that climbs with me sometimes for training, the rest is self taught (Because our schedules rarely line up, and it wouldnt be feasible to wait on him every time I want to climb)

 

[treesap]

Trees are very rarely dangerous. People are very commonly dangerous.

im totally gonna use this as my new signature line



I understand yall are tryin to help, and your doing a good job of it, but no need to be an ass about it, people are more likely to listen when they want to be around you, nobody will listen if they are trying to avoid you


@rico, I am aware you know your shit, but it would be much easier (for everyone here) to follow along if you arent a dick about everything

 

[treeajnin]

on a side note, I find it very interesting that there is 14-15 year old kids interested or even aware of this line of work. I was about 19 working at a lawn and tree company for over a year before I realized what the heck was even going on lol. It took the tree crew being on the same property as me one day to catch the climbing bug.

Pretty cool !

 

[treesap]

on a side note, I find it very interesting that there is 14-15 year old kids interested or even aware of this line of work. I was about 19 working at a lawn and tree company for over a year before I realized what the heck was even going on lol. It took the tree crew being on the same property as me one day to catch the climbing bug.

Pretty cool !

its cool stuff, and sure beats being in the house playing video games all day, get out in the sun, get a workout, and sleep well

 

[alexanderowen]

on a side note, I find it very interesting that there is 14-15 year old kids interested or even aware of this line of work. I was about 19 working at a lawn and tree company for over a year before I realized what the heck was even going on lol. It took the tree crew being on the same property as me one day to catch the climbing bug.

Pretty cool !

I think the internet has influenced the exposure a lot

 

[treesap]

I think the internet has influenced the exposure a lot

thats where I first heard of this line of stuff

oh, and a yardsale a few years ago at a tree company on marthas vineyard, dude let me play with his skidsteer some, instantly hooked

 

[treeajnin]

I think the internet has influenced the exposure a lot

It sure seems like it, I bet the area/location someone grows up in has a huge influence as well. Most of the guys in my area who started doing this at a younger age typically lived way further out from the city where I am from. Not a single tree in the city projects I grew up in lol.

wicked cool !

 

[treesap]

some video I took of my first climb with my "new" saddle, first time using lower Ds, and that saddle fitting different than my old one, thats the reason I look a wee bit nervous

 

[alexanderowen]

Here is me climbing as well:

 

[treesap]

his video is much better than mine

I need a better camera, and editing

 

[Tom Dunlap]

@rico, I am aware you know your shit, but it would be much easier (for everyone here) to follow along if you arent a dick about everything

But then he wouldn't be the Rico I like reading.

Listen to what is said not so much to how it is said.

Dr Shigo could put a ballroom full of arbos in the back of their seat when he was harsh. Anyone who thought he was being a dick was surely in the minority.

 

[rico]

his video is much better than mine

I need a better camera, and editing

No. What you need to do is turn off the fucking camera and have a real pro teach you some of the things that all good spur climbers need to know. I would help you out if I were so inclined, but unfortunatley for you, I'm feeling a little dickish...

 

[alexanderowen]

I like reading @rico ‘s stuff a lot, makes my day. Hopefully I can meet him when I am in California in a few years! I really want to meet more arborists. What is the best way to do that? I just missed the isa Midwest competition which is a bummer because the arborist I know won it!