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I agree with much of that. But I couldn’t pass this up. Just an epic self-own and a reminder that reality often gets in the way of ideology.

Personally, I’m as likely to attach the phrase “moronic hordes“ to those attending the protests of the last few weeks as I am the Trump rally attendees. You just can’t have it both ways. Literally hundreds of thousands of people in the streets for weeks without a mention of social distancing or scolding from the media. The minute Trump tries to hold a rally all we hear is how we’re in the middle of a pandemic and it could cost lives. I think it’s a bit of the “Boy Who Cried Wolf” syndrome. All this alarmism is beginning to fall on deaf ears as the actual death rate is revealed.
Yet another example of Trump putting his personal interests above the citizens of America, which by the way is completely antithetical to the oath that he took...

How many sick or dead Americans which result from this indoor, mask-less political rally will be acceptable?
 
How many sick or dead Americans which result from this indoor, mask-less political rally will be acceptable?

Exactly as many as will result from the protests. You can’t condone massive protests and condemn a rally just because you disagree with the politics of the latter.

Either we’re in a pandemic and mass gatherings are bad...... or we aren’t.

After watching the news for the past few weeks most of America has decided that we aren’t. Or at least not one worth stopping the world for.
 
Exactly as many as will result from the protests. You can’t condone massive protests and condemn a rally just because you disagree with the politics of the latter. . .
This is not about the poliltics. A rally for Biden or anyone else would be equally stupid and outright dangerous right now. And personally I don't think these prorests were that good an idea either, given the pandemic still very much with us. But these events are happening for two completely different reasons. In the case of the protests, people all over the place are absolutely sick and tired of the brutality and racism, and the only reason it is seen as political is because we have a racist leader who clearly encourages racism and white supremacy in his followers and has politicized the rallies himself by assuming all the protestors are Liberals. Big surprise, a lot of the people protesting police brutality happen to be swing voters or even outright Republicans who might have voted for the idiot if he had actually paid any real attention to the situatiom and gave a damn. You don't have to be a Liberal or a Democratic to be concerned about racism and bigotry and police brutality, and that is why we are seeing more and more Republicans back away from Trump as it becomes more clear how he has damaged the party. Now, his rallies are happening for a completely different reason, something carefully planned and having to do solely with his re-election, something he is already fixated on instead of doing his job of leading us through the crises. Trump still fails to grasp that his fanatic base alone will not get him re-elected since at no time have they represented the majority of Americans. It is the swing voters who decide an election and he is losing them in droves right now. It is absolutely crystal clear to any thinking person that his tenure in office has been a complete cock-up, with constant ouster of any advisor who disagreed with him and very little of any real use accomplished. We get nothing from this useless windbag except inflammatory rhetoric, ridiculously excessive bragging, and vindictive, childish diatribes on Twitter against anyone seen to criticize him. It is no wonder people are taking to the streets.
 
Exactly as many as will result from the protests. You can’t condone massive protests and condemn a rally just because you disagree with the politics of the latter.

Either we’re in a pandemic and mass gatherings are bad...... or we aren’t.

After watching the news for the past few weeks most of America has decided that we aren’t. Or at least not one worth stopping the world for.
Sorry but it's apples and oranges.
 
Exactly as many as will result from the protests. . .
Sorry but simply dead wrong. It has been clearly shown that the spikes are happening in places where people have dropped their guard and are not taking precautions with masks, and distancing, etc. And has very little to do with the protests. It is often directly happening now with people in rural areas not previously hard hit, who simply don't take it seriously because it was not seen as a problem local to them. Cell phone records are one of the main tools used to tract activity and relate it to areas of spikes. Here is one article:


Photos of most all of the protests show widespread mask wearing. We won't see that at tRump's rally after his completely irresponsible statements politicizing the wearing of them. He is far too vain and selfish to have ever worn one himself as a role model for his base to stay healthy and safe, so he is certainly going to cost lives if he keeps holding his rallies. And the timing of this one in Tulsa to coincide with Juneteenth has not been lost on the huge numbers of black voters he needs. As I said, it is a total mistake to think that the protests are only from Democrats and Liberals. This country has a huge Black population and many of them are (or were) Republicans. And an awful lot of white Americans have Black friends. Concern over police brutality had little to do with politics, at least not until Trump took sides.
 
Great compilation on youTube of tRump praising advisors and then turning on them and getting rid of them as soon as they disagree with him. Repeatedly, with a whole procession of people who came and went during his adminstration so far. Duh, they are called advsors for a reason. You are supposed to listen to their advice. Not fake news, by the way, but his own words and actions coming back to bite him.

 
Mets or Yankees?

Pick a side and join the Tribe of Righteousness.

If your side is the good side, you have that feeling of doing good.. If your side is losing, well, there's always next year.

As long as you're on a team, you have Hope...

It's all just gladiator games, don't invest too much time or energy rooting for your team. Ignore the man behind the curtain too.
 
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Exactly as many as will result from the protests. You can’t condone massive protests and condemn a rally just because you disagree with the politics of the latter.

Either we’re in a pandemic and mass gatherings are bad...... or we aren’t.

After watching the news for the past few weeks most of America has decided that we aren’t. Or at least not one worth stopping the world for.
I think you missed the point of my post so I will spell it out for you. The President of the United States of America is knowingly putting the health and lives of thousands of American's at risk for his own personal political interests. To closely pack thousand of unmasked people indoors during a time of pandemic is the ultimate dereliction of duty.

While all this is going on Donny is has once again trying to pull an end around to the rule of law, and specifically in the SDNY. 5 months before the 2020 elections.. Is Donny worried about his freedom if he is ousted in November?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...-berman-defies-barrs-attempt-to-oust-him.html
 
Mets or Yankees?

Pick a side and join the Tribe of Righteousness.

If your side is the good side, you have that feeling of doing good.. If your side is losing, well, there's always next year.

As long as you're on a team, you have Hope...

It's all just gladiator games, don't invest too much time or energy rooting for your team. Ignore the man behind the curtain too.
Strongly disagree JD..This is no longer a game... Trump is taking us to a place that is not America, and the future of our nation is literally on the line...
 
Strongly disagree JD..This is no longer a game... Trump is taking us to a place that is not America, and the future of our nation is literally on the line...
Thank Goodness for the Swing Vote. These are the many millions of Americans who are not rabid team worshipers, and who actually listen to what is being said and done, and who vote depending on whether a politian or party actually delivers on what they have promnised. This is what tRump in his vanity refuses to see, in his belief that all genuine Americans love him. An awful lot of us are not totally in one camp or the other; we can vote either way; but when we do vote, we expect positive results, not hot air, blame laying to cover failure, and other BS. Another thing tRump is missing, from his ignorance of history, is that the people who can turn on him the hardest are those among his most ardent supporters who finally wise up to how he is using them and disappointing them, and what he actually stands for. More and more Republicans are going to see him for what he is, a spoiled billionaire who has never known poverty and who could care less about the ordinary American. These same Republicans themselves may not give a damn either, but they do care about getting re-elected. And the bulk of their constituents are going to be ordinary people, a huge proportion of which are often swing voters. These are the same largely invisible Americans who put Obama in office despite his race, after watching the machinations and bungling of previous Republican administrations. (Actually, it is amazing how much better Bush looks at this point!). These same millions and millions and millions of Americans are not attending rallies or even protests. They are just quietly watching tRump and waiting for any actual positive results of his presidency, results which are simply not forthcoming. He can lay all the blame he wants elsewhere but he is the captain of the sinking ship.
 
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Sorry but it's apples and oranges.


I think you missed the point of my post so I will spell it out for you. The President of the United States of America is knowingly putting the health and lives of thousands of American's at risk...

So were the rioters. It’s fantasy to believe that multiple gatherings of tens of thousands of non-distanced people, even outdoors, is not spreading disease. Either mass gatherings without social distancing are bad or they’re fine. The virus is apolitical. The reason for the gathering is immaterial, assuming the virus is as deadly as some would like us to believe.

What lots of people seem to be saying is that the Floyd protests were very important/necessary, therefore they were justified even in the face of a pandemic. In other words, “We’ll take our chances with a virus that really isn’t as deadly for most people as we were first led to believe.” It’s a calculated risk. Same with the Trump rally.

Thank Goodness for the Swing Vote. These are the many millions of Americans who are not rabid team worshipers, and who actually listen to what is being said and done....

Another term for them is the Silent Majority. Many of them are watching the evening news and are absolutely disgusted by what they see. Bands of disaffected losers toppling statues of George Washington is not a good look. Trump will run that video in ads for months. Most people don’t want their city to look like CHAZ. The silent majority loves America. The protesters do not. Guess whose side Biden is on.

Exit question: does anyone think Biden could hold a rally and fill a high school gym?
 
So were the rioters. It’s fantasy to believe that multiple gatherings of tens of thousands of non-distanced people, even outdoors, is not spreading disease. Either mass gatherings without social distancing are bad or they’re fine. The virus is apolitical. The reason for the gathering is immaterial, assuming the virus is as deadly as some would like us to believe.

What lots of people seem to be saying is that the Floyd protests were very important/necessary, therefore they were justified even in the face of a pandemic. In other words, “We’ll take our chances with a virus that really isn’t as deadly for most people as we were first led to believe.” It’s a calculated risk. Same with the Trump rally.



Another term for them is the Silent Majority. Many of them are watching the evening news and are absolutely disgusted by what they see. Bands of disaffected losers toppling statues of George Washington is not a good look. Trump will run that video in ads for months. Most people don’t want their city to look like CHAZ. The silent majority loves America. The protesters do not. Guess whose side Biden is on.

Exit question: does anyone think Biden could hold a rally and fill a high school gym?
Biden is a hammer when you need a wrench, trump is a jackhammer when you need sandpaper. Both useless tools, but one can do much more harm.

Trying to equate the protests to trumps rally is entirely asinine. One group is staring into the barrel of a gun, the other is staring down the barrel to take aim, entirely different contexts
 
Interesting gun analogy.

All I’m saying is if the protesters can gather, so can Trump’s people. No one is forcing anyone to attend either event. Voluntary choice on both sides, but only one gets criticized. I have a gut feeling that as long as protests continue so will the rallies.
 
Of note: Oklahoma population is roughly 4 million. Guess how many hospitalizations for COVID there are in the state?

211.

People just aren’t scared of it anymore. In most cases justifiably.
 
Interesting gun analogy.

All I’m saying is if the protesters can gather, so can Trump’s people. No one is forcing anyone to attend either event. Voluntary choice on both sides, but only one gets criticized. I have a gut feeling that as long as protests continue so will the rallies.
Again you are missing the point. I am not opposed to the demonstrations or Trumps rally today. What I am opposed too is a President who is willing to endanger the lives of American's simply to try an advance his own political interests. Fucking unacceptable, but not surprising considering who we are talking about...

Thoughts on the end around that Trump and Barr are trying to pull at the SDNY? Straight up authoritarian banana republic bullshit...
 
Respectfully @rico, maybe we both missed points.

211 Oklahomans hospitalized with COVID. Out of 4 million. .005%, with a death rate far lower than that. Rally attendees probably are taking more risk in traffic getting to the rally than being there.

Trump is endangering no one.

I’ll reserve judgment on the firing for a few days. For now I’ll concede it smells funny.
 
. . . I’ll reserve judgment on the firing for a few days. For now I’ll concede it smells funny.
No mystery there at all. Just someone else who disagreed with Trump or scrutinized his incompetence and wrongdoings too closely. Trump is extremely vindictive and gets rid of anyone whom he sees as the opposition. He joked about executing whistleblowers. He has absolutely no respect for the checks and balances built into our system. He would be a dictator if he could get away with it. He is trying, for sure.
 
. . . 211 Oklahomans hospitalized with COVID. Out of 4 million. .005%, with a death rate far lower than that. Rally attendees probably are taking more risk in traffic getting to the rally than being there. Trump is endangering no one.
Well, we will know for sure in a week or two. But remember New Orleans and Mardi Gras? They were doing fine til then. Just like Madi Gras, people come to Trump's rallies from all over the country. The fact that Oklahoma has been spared so far is a moot point. If these rally attendees are not wearing masks, based on the shining example their messiah exhibits, that state's percentages are likely to change and not for the better. No one disputes their right to gather and have a rally. It is the idiot encouraging it that is the issue. He has consistently downplayed the danger from the very beginning. He simply does not care who gets sick or dies as long as they support him and stroke his insecure and childish ego. To compare the turnout at these things to Biden having a rally is nonsense. Biden needs no rallies and the vast majority of American citizens are not rally goers. I agree he is a bit of a disappointment but there is still no contest as far as I am concerned. I am sure if the Democrats had fielded a stronger candidate with more charisma and people skills, Trump would not have any chance in November at all. And the way he can't keep his stupid mouth shut, and even try to appear like he cares about anything besides himself, I think he is blowing his chances anyway. I am a business owner, have voted Republican at times in the past, and am surrounded by other Republicans up here in the business community. I am friends with most of them and I know exactly what they are saying. They may not like Biden but they are all everyone of them sorry they voted for Trump. At least three have told me that they can't bring themselves to vote Democratic but they are just not going to vote at all if Trump gets the GOP nomination. I think we will see that attitude reflected nationwide more and more among Republicans who are intelligent to any degree and who have any genuine love for the country and its constitutional system of division of powers.
 

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