Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Not so long ago, there was outrage when Trump used the epithet 'enemies of the people' in reference to the American press. The inference was clear: this is inappropriate language associated with history's most notorious dictators.

Fast forward to today. The outraged are calling Trump traitor, an agent of a foreign power, even though these labels likewise featured prominently in fearmongering of totalitarians.

This is a step beyond the juvenile labelling of Trump, and much else, as fascist. That people sufficiently talented to gain employment with the likes of the CIA and the New York Times are prepared to say such things is alarming. They're starting to sound more and more like those crazy loners who have convinced themselves that governance is just a cover behind which secretive bodies plot, direct agendas and manipulate the public.

It doesn't bode well for the future of society when the educated take to embracing attitudes marked by irrationality and conspiracy-theorising.

Has the American Government never attempted to interfere with another country's elections? Did it never occur to anyone in the intelligence services that the Russians might try, prior to 2016? Did they have no contingency plans for countering it? When did the Russians get so much smarter than the CIA or FBI seem to be?

As for the blackmail story, would Trump really care if people knew he'd hired women to be peed on? Would his voters? of course not, they're deplorable right?

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Again, you equate crazy loners outraged at conspiratorial nonsense with outrage at a very real conspiracy with evidence, numerous indictments, guilty pleas, plea deals and convictions. All of this with an apparent disregard for exactly which side of the fence has been the most prone to believing such nonsense.

Hillary Clinton's emails... tens of millions of dollars, with more being spent yet again, and multiple investigations resulting in... big, fat nada.

Barack Obama is a Muslin and was born in Kenya and thousands of trolls and Republican polititcians propagating a load of shit based almost entirely on a cut-and-paste mess of an amateur attempt to forge a birth certificate from an image found with a simple google search.

Barack Obama is heading up Operation Jade Helm to establish martial law in Texas and establish Sharia Law in the US and become Dictator of the World. The only thing they left out was the role of unicorns and sasquatch in the master plan.

Planned Parenthood is part of a UN conspiracy to form a One World Government, complete with highly edited, bogus video footage throroughly debunked within a day. Persists, anyway.

BENGHAZI !!!
More millions of dollars wasted, with entire military divisions ordered to stand down by Obama himself and dozens of "facts" that turn out to be entirely the rattled blabberings of the REAL fake news websites and Looney Toons talk radio whack jobs claiming to have "secret sources" that turn out to be some hillbilly in Georgia who called in with the nitty gritty secret facts about Hillary and where she is keeping Bigfoot when the tourist season is over.

If the Mueller investigation is just the wild imagination of the left and wishful thinking, then surely the President and GOP Congress will do everything in their power to make sure he can complete the investigation without interference, right? I mean, they want all those wrongly accused folks to be vindicated... and there would be the bonus of being able to say, "Look, we're not the only ones spending taxpayer money for investigations that get no results!" but that doesn't seem to be the case, at all, does it?

The fact is, he's getting lots of results... just not the ones the GOP would dearly love to see. The possibility that Putin is, literally, blackmailing Trump with pee tapes? Nah, I won't buy that one, either. Trump doesn't have enough class to even think that's a bad thing. The possibility that Russian money and loans will also lead to money laundering schemes? Well, we already have precedent for that one.

After eight years of a GOP controlled Congress that accomplished virtually nothing other than to oppose everything Obama did... and a president who's first order of business was to undo virtually all of the things he did accomplish, including reversing his executive orders (something no other president has ever done) you can bet good money that the left will rejoice endlessly when the Trump shit show comes unravelled.
 
JeffGu said:
Again, you equate crazy loners outraged at conspiratorial nonsense with outrage at a very real conspiracy with evidence, numerous indictments, guilty pleas, plea deals and convictions. All of this with an apparent disregard for exactly which side of the fence has been the most prone to believing such nonsense.

Hillary Clinton's emails... tens of millions of dollars, with more being spent yet again, and multiple investigations resulting in... big, fat nada.

Barack Obama is a Muslin and was born in Kenya and thousands of trolls and Republican polititcians propagating a load of shit based almost entirely on a cut-and-paste mess of an amateur attempt to forge a birth certificate from an image found with a simple google search.

Barack Obama is heading up Operation Jade Helm to establish martial law in Texas and establish Sharia Law in the US and become Dictator of the World. The only thing they left out was the role of unicorns and sasquatch in the master plan.

Planned Parenthood is part of a UN conspiracy to form a One World Government, complete with highly edited, bogus video footage throroughly debunked within a day. Persists, anyway.

BENGHAZI !!!
More millions of dollars wasted, with entire military divisions ordered to stand down by Obama himself and dozens of "facts" that turn out to be entirely the rattled blabberings of the REAL fake news websites and Looney Toons talk radio whack jobs claiming to have "secret sources" that turn out to be some hillbilly in Georgia who called in with the nitty gritty secret facts about Hillary and where she is keeping Bigfoot when the tourist season is over.

If the Mueller investigation is just the wild imagination of the left and wishful thinking, then surely the President and GOP Congress will do everything in their power to make sure he can complete the investigation without interference, right? I mean, they want all those wrongly accused folks to be vindicated... and there would be the bonus of being able to say, "Look, we're not the only ones spending taxpayer money for investigations that get no results!" but that doesn't seem to be the case, at all, does it?

The fact is, he's getting lots of results... just not the ones the GOP would dearly love to see. The possibility that Putin is, literally, blackmailing Trump with pee tapes? Nah, I won't buy that one, either. Trump doesn't have enough class to even think that's a bad thing. The possibility that Russian money and loans will also lead to money laundering schemes? Well, we already have precedent for that one.

After eight years of a GOP controlled Congress that accomplished virtually nothing other than to oppose everything Obama did... and a president who's first order of business was to undo virtually all of the things he did accomplish, including reversing his executive orders (something no other president has ever done) you can bet good money that the left will rejoice endlessly when the Trump shit show comes unravelled.
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This, and a similar study I read that demonstrated how people tend to use emotional response mechanisms in the brain to react to political content, show that the better you're equipped to use critical thinking and analytical reasoning, the less likely you are to fall for fake news and hoaxes.

Political affiliation itself isn't the controlling factor... but if you're in the "blindly believe at all costs" crowd, you might very well be more prone to adopting whichever party offers you the simple, black and white answers to your concerns... even if the subject is far to complex to solve with simplistic beliefs and solutions. One paragraph in that study would seem to support that:

"Trump supporters tended to be a bit more likely to believe the fake news than Hillary supporters. But, overall, people who scored higher on the cognitive test were less trusting of the fake news headlines, regardless of whether it appealed to their political ideology."

I wouldn't accuse anyone of being incapable of solid reasoning because they support Trump, but rather the reverse... they support Trump because they're not using solid reasoning. It's an opinion. Like assholes, we all have one... and they usually stink. I have a very liberal relative who is constantly posting (usually memes) that are as guilty of using facts out of context, or outright misinformation, as the other side. I point out the ones that are easily debunked. I think she's blocked me from all social media, now. But, I hate to see anyone resort to misinformation to push a cause, regardless of whether I think the cause is good, or not.

I also had two relatives (very close ones) who fell hook, line and sinker for the Alien Autopsy video.
When it was finally debunked and the hoaxers identified, they asked why I was so sure it was a hoax (I actually started laughing about ten seconds into the video). Well, the room looks like a motel room or stage set... obviously slapped together in a hurry. The phone is vintage 1960 and I don't think the government would wait more than ten years to perform an autopsy on an alien. The phony forensic team clearly had no clue what happens at an autopsy. Most of them were just standing around... like a TV version, because Hollywood usually doesn't have a clue, either. The alien's innards looked like it came from a meat counter (it actually did) and no autopsy ever started out with a dissection of the eyes. The alien looked like a rubber dummy (it was). But most obvious of all... the alien had the typical big head, big eyes, scrawny body look of science fiction imagination and movies that pre-date the Roswell incident. What are the odds, do you suppose, that hollywood would make cheesy B movies, and then aliens would crash and look just like the ones in those movies? Why would anyone assume an alien lifeform would be a bipedal hominid with a beer gut? Only a human.

Besides... I have the Alien Jovian Probulator. Everybody knows the aliens look like a cockroach crossed with a squid. And no, you can't see my frozen sasquatch because I don't want to open the freezer and risk him decomposing.
 
Good post. It makes me think of a video I watched about people who do a lot of commuting and end up listening to rush or similar. In the fragile mental and emotional state of the commuter impressions are easily made. This is a good metaphor in my opinion for our society as a whole. We are constantly under attack from advertisers and even worse, those who wish to sway our minds for even more sinister ends beyond selling us pepsi and dorritos. The art and act of deceiving and controlling the hearts and minds of plebes goes way back, only it has reached an incredible speed and ferocity in our modern digital paradigm. Untold amounts of money spent to figure out better and more precise ways of control, we are practically defenseless... oh shit... here comes the tinfoil hat....

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All the better to convince folks to buy shit they don't need.

I listen to commercial and largely DJ-less satellite or an I-pod when in vehicles. I largely don't want to hear people's thoughts on a multitude of topics. That's just me though. Let me live.

So yes, I own brand name I pods. Hook, line, and sinker I guess but when your music collection is as big as mine is (terabyte or so) having an mp3 player is the easiest way to carry it around.
 
Yeah... I remember when the FCC prohibited robocallers and cold call shoe salesmen from bombarding you day and night with crap, and cell phones were off limits. Now, all the consumer advocacy agencies are headed up by the people who have the most to profit by it... I'm bombarded by robocallers so bad it's almost impossible to block them all. They'll buy thousands of phone numbers and rotate through them. Every one of them is a scam. Not one legitimate business in the bunch. Every one of the "charities" I looked up is keeping nearly all of the money and tossing the helpless and needy a few crumbs every now and then.

The "Do Not Call List" is such a joke... I'm pretty sure they sell the list to every robocaller scam artist on the planet.
 
I laugh when I hear the Russia hacked the election hoax.

But most seem to believe it.

I also saw a report that Julian Assange would be forced out of Ecuador's London embassy. That would be a dark day for journalistic integrity.

Hopefully the British legal system can withstand the pressure to extradite him on fraudulant charges.
 
treegongfu said:
I laugh when I hear the Russia hacked the election hoax.

But most seem to believe it.

I also saw a report that Julian Assange would be forced out of Ecuador's London embassy. That would be a dark day for journalistic integrity.

Hopefully the British legal system can withstand the pressure to extradite him on fraudulant charges.
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If you dont mind me asking, are you a Trump supporter treegongfu? The reason I ask is because the few folks that I know who believe that the whole Russian thing is a hoax are all Trump supporters.
 
no. I'm Canadian, Rico. If I could I don't think I would trade Trudeau, our male feminist liberal prime minister, for Trump but it strangely warrants consideration.

The anti-Russian hysteria is bad and dangerous for the planet.

And it demonstrates the ability of shadowy forces and the corporate media to create mass delusion.

They have provided zero evidence for this claim.
 
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I'm offended. I mean, now the most interesting man in the world is making broad stereotypical comments and slanderous, libelous, defamatory remarks about someone on this board. I have no idea who he's talking about, but I can't imagine anyone would actually use his picture to make a silly, disgusting and totally un-called-for internet meme. I'll have to think about this, for a minute.
 
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