Expanding the use of my Hook system

[moss]

With upmost respect.
What I will never do is completely detach, not that I couldn't get away with several time but because it opens a door I don't want to use. If there is something that would be easy to solve by detaching, I'll consider it a challenge to solve it the hard way.
Not trying to sound all righteous but knowing me, next, I'll just hang my system off my hip while I work my way up that ladder limb pine. As for a life support, support, there too I'll take the time. Non life (or serious injury) support, support (or anchor), do whatever.
Again, just my view and with all the respect in the world for a friend I HIGHLY respect.

I'd missed this. To be clear I'm not saying detaching from life support is something anybody should be doing but I'm pointing out that experienced climbers do it. It's not something they will admit on a public forum.

I think there is room for discernment in where we want "life support quality". For any remote anchor for a primary system used to work or rec off of, absolutely must meet the highest standard. For secondary positioning anchors I'm not trying to achieve life support quality, I want something that will hold me securely in the position I want. And I want it to easily hold my weight and stay put if I cut my primary line. It doesn't need to handle the weight of two 250lb. humans in a dynamic loading scenario. Subtle discernment doesn't play well in safety standards, it's much easier to flatten the field and simply say "Don't do that!".

For SRS climbing it's common to be out on the end of a long limb walk doing tip pruning for say a crown reduction. Before starting my saw I put in a second tie-in. The main benefit is to give me stable positioning running my saw. Would not be thrilled to be hanging on my lanyard on a 3 or 4" diameter branch 20 or more feet out from the trunk if I cut my primary line. Just one example of a kind of "wink and a nod" safety standard exception in the industry. It could explain in part why EU safety standards are moving towards double rope for work climbing.
-AJ

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

I'd missed this. To be clear I'm not saying detaching from life support is something anybody should be doing but I'm pointing out that experienced climbers do it. It's not something they will admit on a public forum.

I think there is room for discernment in where we want "life support quality". For any remote anchor for a primary system used to work or rec off of, absolutely must meet the highest standard. For secondary positioning anchors I'm not trying to achieve life support quality, I want something that will hold me securely in the position I want. And I want it to easily hold my weight and stay put if I cut my primary line. It doesn't need to handle the weight of two 250lb. humans in a dynamic loading scenario. Subtle discernment doesn't play well in safety standards, it's much easier to flatten the field and simply say "Don't do that!".

For SRS climbing it's common to be out on the end of a long limb walk doing tip pruning for say a crown reduction. Before starting my saw I put in a second tie-in. The main benefit is to give me stable positioning running my saw. Would not be thrilled to be hanging on my lanyard on a 3 or 4" diameter branch 20 or more feet out from the trunk if I cut my primary line. Just one example of a kind of "wink and a nod" safety standard exception in the industry. It could explain in part why EU safety standards are moving towards double rope for work climbing.
-AJ

Agree that it is totally about risk assessment, knowing what they are, how they may be mitigated and then applying to ourselves or (if appropriate) those we are responsible for. It's the "I" in my comments that work for me.

 

[Lupin_IV]

noticed the double carabiner swivel and figured I might share this here. Solid solution when you don’t rely on eyes and a pulley. Obviously doesn’t need to be a sticht. Nice and compact.