DRT

MikePowers321 said:
I guess I'm just wondering how smooth it is to ascend. I don't think I have ever done that before
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Most likely I would be tending one or two by hand, while ascending the other, or main line. Usually I would just spike up spar with adjacent TIPS, the tree I've got to do, I am not sure will support weight. Short answer is I have zero idea how it is going to go down, and was stoked to get kevs description here.
 
Mark Chisholm said:
I like the concept. It's a tri-vect climbing technique. Just like Graham's tri-vect rigging. Great stuff.
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Rigjt on. Sherbrooke's video of that job is really fun to watch. Great stuff there. If I saw things right Thwy had load measurement on each rig. Very cool.

The thing about mechanicals is that they slip before you can overload beyond critical angles. Essentially, you can only go so high when ropes are off angle.
 
what is the advantage here over setting a highline tip or using jonnys floating tie in? i can see pros and cons for all three techniques. curious to hear your reasoning.
 
Having three tie on points allows you to go wherever you want within the three trees. A highline could also be set up with three points, but you have to set it up where you want from the ground and that's where you are. I don't know enough about johnnys trt to use it yet. High lines are somewhat cumbersome. I use two lines regularly so getting work positioning like this is always available. Adding a third line to the mix isn't that hard. Setting up a highline requires some planning. For me anyway.
 
It occurs to me that there are advantages to both having two bridges for DRT and to Ocean's multi-swivel technique.

Is there any disadvantage to using both setups?

One bridge with a swivel and one bridge with a ring: when using Ocean's setup the second bridge is redundant but remains available if the work positioning (or back flipping) calls for it.
 
I have two bridges all the time now, primary has dmm large swivel and ring on it. Secondary has rock exotica large rotator on it. Primary is even backed up with 5mm maxim tech cord.
I used to take off the second bridge when not using it, but I don't bother now and don't notice the bulk at all. Great to have the extra attachment points
 
I would like to try this magical canopy hovering technique. Do you guys use mostly basal anchors or canopy or a combination of both. My mind is blown thinking of all the possibilities it's like discovering srt for the first time.
 
treebing said:
finally got a go pro again after dropping my last one on the sidewalk months ago. Getting back into the swing of things.
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Way to go Bing you're a-maz-ing. I can't believe I doubted DRT at first. You are always miles ahead of the rest.
I guess I was a little naive when I first heard you discussing the merits of DRT. I have matured in my climbing technique quite a bit since then and have come to really understand the benefit to having two lines. Thanks for bearing with me! Now all I need to do is get a couple of Rope Runners to be more like you.
 
treebing said:
finally got a go pro again after dropping my last one on the sidewalk months ago. Getting back into the swing of things.
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Thanks for the video Kevin.

Could you please give me some details on what you're doing?

Looks like you're using two runners, and two foot ascenders.

What exactly is your setup. How are you attaching the RRs to your harness, keeping them aligned, tending them. Descending, any special technique pushing down on two runners?

Ascending this seems like it would have advantages over using one rope and a knee ascender.
 
I have two runners on two bridges of exactly equal length. I have a Paul Didier chet harness with two grommets for my s biners that I attach to both runners to tend. I have two foot ascenders, left and right. I either hold one rope in one hand or do like i did in the video and squeeze them both together hard. It is not as straight forward as it looks and is quite awkward at first because of the stretch in the ropes. You have to hold the rope so it does not stretch and unstretch when you take your steps. I can go faster than I can with my HAAS and I like that my legs stay independent of one another so I can climb the tree or the rope at well. I use my pantins like spurs in some situations. operating both runners for descent also takes a bit of getting used to. Having swivels on both bridges is absolutely key to making this technique an absolute pain in the ass. When I go to SRT, I clip into the bottom of the swivel so it doesn't swivel, but in DRT you really need the swivel so you can swift and untwist your lines as well as orient the runner to where you can operate them both at one time.
 
Still love climbing with two systems, but I've gone away from trying to rope manage 400 ft of rope between two base tied single line.
Rather I'm on the runner on a base tie, and with my 6mm ocean vectran thimble loop an a fixe pulley I'm using a doubled rope system on the tail. Gives me all the advantages of Ddrt, easy advancement and retrievablity, etc, in a compact little package. Takes up no room on saddle and is always there when I need it, which since starting to use it, has been pretty much every climb. At times it's a separate system, at times it's a super long lanyard.
I am back to one bridge, with a large RE swivel in the center, and two dmm rings, one on either side of the swivel. Like Kevin said, the swivel can either be a ring or a swivel, and then I can move the auxiliary line to either side of te swivel if I'm changing body orientation so that things are not crossed.
Backflips are off the table, but I'm certainly far less encumbered then trying to manage all that rope and bith those bridges. Looks like Kevin has it dialed in where he has no problem with, but it was a lot for me to manage.
So I'm on two systems really almost all the time and reaping the benefits of redirect ability and multiple load sharing suspension points, easy traversing, able to get out to tips of branches where I could comfortable make Hand pruner cuts all day if I wanted, but spend so much less time fiddling with rope.
Also, working daily on my Oceans' needed-rope-length guesstimates for each climb.
Just thought id share where I'm at with this almost a year later from Kevin presenting this idea to us all here on the buzz
 
im not going to lie, it is very cumbersome especially in set up, it was especially awkward for the first few months. I have improved and made it more efficient with practice. the 400 feet of rope is definitely a lot but I don't even think about it anymore. I do climb SRT still. sometimes it just makes more sense but I realize how much better my work positioning is when Im with two ropes.
 
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