Double braid ring-N-ring

Great thread, lots of nice pictures.

For something utilitarian like a double-ring FS it seems like a lot of work to make them from 16-strand or double braid. I have a handful in several lengths that I made from 3-strand Tree-Master. They are easy and fast to make; they can take a hell of a beating; the splices are very short; there are no worries about loose covers, tapered buries or the like; and the strands take up minimal room on the inside of the rings. The picture shows one...
 

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Pancake- the 10mm size of beeline is supposed to be spliced as a Class I double braid.

The core of 10mm beeline is (as I just verified w/ Yale) 5/16 yalex. It has a MBS of 3,600 pounds. Probably strong enough to be climbing on, but nowhere near the 5,000 pounds that ANSI likes to see. Also, it's just not spliced in accordance with manufacturer's recommendations.

Redo it! (i'd stick with the beeline- spliced properly, though).

moray- have you ever used the crown-knot to start the 3 strand splice over a ring. I like it a lot. I'll see if I can get a pic up.

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Amen, Nick! I've never seen 3-strand spliced like that. Crown splice for sure, or at least a regular eye splice (even though it may be slightly large). Is there a difference between the 10mm Beeline with the red tracer vs. the new stuff with the yellow tracer? Hmmmmm...
 
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Amen, Nick! I've never seen 3-strand spliced like that...

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Seriously? This looks unsafe to you? Even though I cooked it up on my own as a way to reduce the bulk inside the rings, especially the smaller ring, I later found the same ring splice shown in Ashley's Book of Knots. But all you have to do is look at it to see that all three strands are fully involved in carrying the load. They all have an equal bend radius around the ring. No strand is squeezing the life out of any other. Looks pretty good to me.

Answer to Nick: Yes, I first tried the crown splice. It looked nice and balanced, but you couldn't avoid the double strand thickness inside the ring, so I gave it up. I do use it for a back splice on my 3-strand lanyards, where it does its job as a stopper knot and looks really pretty at the same time...
 
Yea I know Nick- that's why it's a proto type, I am in no condition to splice Velocity or anything requiring real effort now, just using what's laying aroung the house. Will post a pic of the real deal by year end hopefully, thanks for watching out for me.
 
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Amen, Nick! I've never seen 3-strand spliced like that...

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Seriously? This looks unsafe to you? Even though I cooked it up on my own as a way to reduce the bulk inside the rings, especially the smaller ring, I later found the same ring splice shown in Ashley's Book of Knots. But all you have to do is look at it to see that all three strands are fully involved in carrying the load. They all have an equal bend radius around the ring. No strand is squeezing the life out of any other. Looks pretty good to me.

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I've seen that splice before. I wouldn't have a problem with it, as long as all 3 strands are tensioned equally. I think it would be a stronger splice in this application. All 3 strands share the load equally.
 
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Seriously? This looks unsafe to you?

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Hey, no offense man! Sorry to come off that way. Rope is rope... if it's loaded properly. I understand your take on it. I still have my doubts about even loading on the strands. The way I see it, a crown splice keeps all three strands under a consistant tension/compression ratio. The splice you (and Ashley) show, appears to have an uneven distribution of loading on the strands. Just my gut feeling and initial reaction. If I'm wrong, so be it, no problem. Peace everyone!
 
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