treebilly
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Thanks for linking Reg’s video. I read what was posted but “silly cunt” sounds so much better when he says it. Did he give you a mention @rico? Thought I heard it when he mentioned Martin
DON'T EVEN TRY IT!
- Thread starter Daniel
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He truly mentioned Rico....rightfully so. That vid was so spot on. Like you I enjoy the use of silly cunt. My fav word.....
evo
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Oh crap here we go! I remember this shit. Circles...
Now if you were so confident why the strap above and below?
Thanks for the kind words Swing.
Yesterday I pulled up some of those amazing pictures of that big old Mahogany crane job you did last year.
Epic shit bruv!
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Daniel
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Reg said:
"they've said to me oh that's not safe
and well he just watched
me do it perfectly
but they seem to have lost the
ability to think for themselves this
little living in fear that rule books
it's a terrible shame and unfortunately there
seems to be more of them than there is
of us the way it's going at the moment"
In the OP video the pine top made the hole perfectly. you saw it.
"they've said to me oh that's not safe
and well he just watched
me do it perfectly
but they seem to have lost the
ability to think for themselves this
little living in fear that rule books
it's a terrible shame and unfortunately there
seems to be more of them than there is
of us the way it's going at the moment"
In the OP video the pine top made the hole perfectly. you saw it.
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At this time Your Honor, the prosecution would like to add narcissistic tendencies to the charges against the defendant.
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Pictures dont lie. Legit. Reg seems to say there are too many videos being posted of mundane standard affair everyday tree work. Reg and Daniel are saying danger is relative. What may be dangerous to you may be ok for me, fine. Here is the difference i believe, there are times when you can reduce or eliminate danger/risk by doing it differently. There are times you cannot, example climbing a dead tree with no other tree for a TIP, no bucket or crane access. I speculate that Reg doesnt take unnecessary chances. I am sure the response will be " I am not taking a chance because i am so confident and skilled i trust my life to this cut" Makes my point, why trust your life to anything if there is another way. This stangle thingy is unnecessary because there is other straight forward ways to do it. Risk and chance, they are different. I dont take chances, i assume calculated risk when necessary. Why didnt the bowline on a bight get named the shoopty woop if it was so different, why because it describes the knot and are closely related. Same with the stangle, why not call it a slice cut with a notch which describes it better. Finally when clearing a big snag from the ground why not cut a notch in the top compression so the log doesnt pop so hard, instead of all that hacking at the cut and jumping around.
Daniel
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I've tried it both ways and prefer my way. Have you tried them both? The pop rather than fold may scare some, but as long as the piece is but heavy (which they almost always are) the but is going to drop straight down, fast or slow doesn't matter. One advantage that the pop and drop offers is that the tree will tend to get straighter faster with the holding or hanging onto hinge fibers, whihc properls the but more forward than a quick straight dropdown. Once those pieces get straight they can become very dangerous and uncontrolled. Another advantage is that cutting the top-notch is more difficult than the snap cut, especially on bigger stems. And agin in an effort to keep the piece from getting straight, I try to cut as high as possible to get more drop from each bit of forward movement. I can reach up and cut those snap cuts as high as 7'. Cutting a notch from the ground at that height is impossible. In the case of this tree, I needed to get the tree to drop about 15' before the 75-foot elevator would be able to piece the rest out. In order to keep the job as safe as possible for the bucket operator, it was important to still have a good bit of lean to the tree. We didn't want the tree to get too straight!
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Wow!
I’m on a road trip and internet access is intermittent
I just read the first and eighth page of this thread because I took the title at face value.
Lots of comments to agree with many fir disagreement
In the first few years of full time climbing I made a salami cut of a top. It slid off...no tip...and clocked me. Trip to ER. Bruises only. X-rays and discharged. After thinking about what happened I never made a salami cut in a tree in any material larger than four inch diameter. And even that was rare. There were always safer solutions that had comfortable margins of error. Using this technique is dangerous, in my way of thinking, because the margin of error is non existent. Skilled or not.
I wish I could watch the vid. Was it removed?
I’m on a road trip and internet access is intermittent
I just read the first and eighth page of this thread because I took the title at face value.
Lots of comments to agree with many fir disagreement
In the first few years of full time climbing I made a salami cut of a top. It slid off...no tip...and clocked me. Trip to ER. Bruises only. X-rays and discharged. After thinking about what happened I never made a salami cut in a tree in any material larger than four inch diameter. And even that was rare. There were always safer solutions that had comfortable margins of error. Using this technique is dangerous, in my way of thinking, because the margin of error is non existent. Skilled or not.
I wish I could watch the vid. Was it removed?
Fair enough, i prefer the notch because it feels more controlled and and removes pressure from the cut. I prefer slow.True the piece becomes vertical quicker which usually causes the snag to flip out sooner which usually doesnt matter. If that is a concern i will take other measures as you stated you didnt want the tree vertical. I am talking in general, i acknowledge everything situation can be different. Yes i have done both. The body language and saw handling in the videos indicate some discomfort with the release of pressure, just my take.
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Well there ya' go folks...A real live story from a man who attemped a slice/salami cut while aloft, and got his bell rung. Wouldn't you know it he agrees that the risk just aint worth the reward, and there are much safer ways to accomplish the same goal.
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As someone who has performed a couple hundred slice cuts while clearing hung up trees I can tell you that both methods (notch or no notch) perform wonderfully, but they perform differently. Knowing which one is the right choice for a given scenario is where experience and expertise comes into play.
rope-a-dope
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I fail to see what is so ground breaking, cutting edge, outside the box, or advanced about the stuff in the videos.
Sure, climbing big hung up trees is challenging. Tripping a cut top with a pull line shows a practical knowledgability of how wood functions.
I figured out this never-seen-before cut on my own climbing in a tree in the woods years ago. I cut a little skinny notch in the bottom of a salami cut so my little oak top didnt get stuck in another tree and didnt hit me. It worked how I wanted and have used it several times and even taught it to a co-worker thru the sena when he needed it. It's usually the really skinny trees that have grown in a dense stand with a poor form for climbing....
I think the whole point here is Daniel getting the attention he wants, which actually supports his grandiose claims. He wouldn't have a reputation at all if he didnt publish and provoke. Outside of the general YouTube audience impressed by ARBORIST SLAYS DRAGON AND CUTS HUGE TOPS.
It is tragic to think that someone with no experience would try something they see on a tree cutting video, but it happens. So when we protest and warn and try to protect the ignorant, he gets to play it off like he is the hot shot that makes us jealous and we are tring to stifle his genius.
It's going to keep happening because it's working for him.
Sure, climbing big hung up trees is challenging. Tripping a cut top with a pull line shows a practical knowledgability of how wood functions.
I figured out this never-seen-before cut on my own climbing in a tree in the woods years ago. I cut a little skinny notch in the bottom of a salami cut so my little oak top didnt get stuck in another tree and didnt hit me. It worked how I wanted and have used it several times and even taught it to a co-worker thru the sena when he needed it. It's usually the really skinny trees that have grown in a dense stand with a poor form for climbing....
I think the whole point here is Daniel getting the attention he wants, which actually supports his grandiose claims. He wouldn't have a reputation at all if he didnt publish and provoke. Outside of the general YouTube audience impressed by ARBORIST SLAYS DRAGON AND CUTS HUGE TOPS.
It is tragic to think that someone with no experience would try something they see on a tree cutting video, but it happens. So when we protest and warn and try to protect the ignorant, he gets to play it off like he is the hot shot that makes us jealous and we are tring to stifle his genius.
It's going to keep happening because it's working for him.
Great post rope-a-dope!
I have to admit that Daniel's never ending dull saws, gawd awful cuts, and horrid looking stumps have left me green with envy and jealousy. Nothing like an 12 inch DBH shrub lost sideways in a backyard to make a man feel inadequate....Maybe the little blue pills my doctor gave me will make me feel a little better about myself?
I have to admit that Daniel's never ending dull saws, gawd awful cuts, and horrid looking stumps have left me green with envy and jealousy. Nothing like an 12 inch DBH shrub lost sideways in a backyard to make a man feel inadequate....Maybe the little blue pills my doctor gave me will make me feel a little better about myself?
"A bit of an unusual notch, but theres a reason for that"
"that piece thats loose and hanging up there, its coming down with the tree"
"It coming right at me so I'm gonna have to boogie when it comes over"
More backyard hackery and another pecker pole lost sideways (60%)....
"that piece thats loose and hanging up there, its coming down with the tree"
"It coming right at me so I'm gonna have to boogie when it comes over"
More backyard hackery and another pecker pole lost sideways (60%)....
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Daniel
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made the lay, cleared the shrub. you saw it... so what's the complaint....
it's a common misconception that the pull line is in the direction of the lay. planned hinge failure is not uncommon tool in my box.... wonder if @Tony ever tried it or teaches it
it's a common misconception that the pull line is in the direction of the lay. planned hinge failure is not uncommon tool in my box.... wonder if @Tony ever tried it or teaches it
"It coming right at me so I'm gonna have to boogie when it comes over"
Your own words and your undercut make it pretty clear that you missed your intended lay by well over 45 degrees's. Pure backyard hackery.....
Care to explain the horrid undercut, and why you chose to just leave the top/limb hung up like that?
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