DdRT Injuries

I wish I could find 4 limbs that i could trust for a redirect. Heck I am happy if I have one tip I can trust. Most of the mature trees around here have been topped and I get the joy of trying to fix them. Would love to go SRT but can't see it happening here.

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No. I'm in northern Alberta. They are topped here because of all the hacks without a clue how to prune a tree. Complete morons.

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Tyler Durden said:
I'm with Justin on this one. If you are doing huge lime walks on SRT, you are not utilising redirects to their full advantage. More and more these days I find my self setting high points over each quadrant of the tree and jumping from tip to tip.

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How does this work? Are you using multiple ropes and switching to the one you need for the quadrant you're trying to get to? Or are you having to climb back up each time to gain access to each different tie-in point before dropping down again?

It's an interesting idea, that of setting up four choked high tie-in points, and switching rope to rope like Tarzan whenever you need to. It would eliminate the up and down you might normally need to do to create another redirect, to allow access to a new area of the tree.

I guess JohnnyPro's Twin Rope Technique gets at the same issue.

Tim
 
The twin rope technique does allow a change in tie in point any time, any where. You don't gain any mechanical advantage though. As others have mentioned, 3:1 works well, although I find 99.9% of the time I just haul my ass back in.
A simple redirect can give you a better rope angle to do a whole section of the tree. This works ddrt as well. With srt it's so easy to go up that for me clearing a redirect isn't a big deal at all.
 
Tyler Durden said:
I'm with Justin on this one. If you are doing huge lime walks on SRT, you are not utilising redirects to their full advantage. More and more these days I find my self setting high points over each quadrant of the tree and jumping from tip to tip.

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I hear ya man. My only complaint for this is what Tim set up. Sometime, if the tree is large enough, it is more efficient to climb up and set redirects for those long limb walks. Other times though it seems to be inefficient. It's either climb up 30+ feet for a redi for one long limb walk or just go for it real quick.

I appreciate the input though.
 
@TimBr, most of the time I work with one rope. With a haas and a foot ascender, retracing your steps to reset a redirect is almost effortless. If is is a very unsemetrical tree I will set 2 or more lines from the ground and transfer to them when the opportunity arises. SRT is all about planning your climb.

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TimBr said:
How does this work? Are you using multiple ropes and switching to the one you need for the quadrant you're trying to get to? Or are you having to climb back up each time to gain access to each different tie-in point before dropping down again?

It's an interesting idea, that of setting up four choked high tie-in points, and switching rope to rope like Tarzan whenever you need to. It would eliminate the up and down you might normally need to do to create another redirect, to allow access to a new area of the tree.

I guess JohnnyPro's Twin Rope Technique gets at the same issue.

Tim
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The shultz effect has a couple of serious options that are well illustrated for not having to re-ascend.
His ddrt system redirect setup looks really cool, but I haven't used it.
The section on the triple threat (and how to make something similar at home two different ways) points out how it can be set up so that you toss the ropes down the different routes to save having to re-ascend to work the canopy.

Mostly, I don't mind a 20 foot ascent to pop out a redirect because it just takes a minute and running up the rope is easier than running the saw.
 
Timber1972 said:
I wish I could find 4 limbs that i could trust for a redirect. Heck I am happy if I have one tip I can trust. Most of the mature trees around here have been topped and I get the joy of trying to fix them. Would love to go SRT but can't see it happening here.

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Ddrt limits you to loading just one topped leader at once, which doesn't get you as high as a base tie over several of them. You can climb them like they weren't topped when your weight is pressing straight down the growth of the limb instead of pulling off to the side on compromised tips.
 
The akimbo and bdb can cut out some retrievals when climbing srt. When I demoed an akimbo, I would try to plan my routes and throw my tail through a fork over the section next to the one I was about to descend into. Once finished the current section, I would pop the rope out of the device and pull the bight my descent created through the union over the next section, and start working my way back up, so that I wasn't ascending just to descend again. That little device changed the way I did srt- then I had to give it back.

For now I do mostly ddrt unless srt is just the obvious choice. I personally enjoy ddrt more because of the challenge it poses to choosing how to work the tree. Sometimes it's a bust, but it often keeps me from having to redirect as much. Resetting a TIP is easier, limb walks aren't something to avoid (as much), and the above mentioned ponytail redirect is still feasible as with the akimbo. For some reason going back for gear/redirects seems less and less appealing.

The triple threat option looks cool, but I've never had the rope quantity for it. We usually set two lines or send up two climber for a broad canopy where I work now.
 
Crimsonking said:
The akimbo and bdb can cut out some retrievals when climbing srt. When I demoed an akimbo, I would try to plan my routes and throw my tail through a fork over the section next to the one I was about to descend into. Once finished the current section, I would pop the rope out of the device and pull the bight my descent created through the union over the next section, and start working my way back up, so that I wasn't ascending just to descend again. That little device changed the way I did srt- then I had to give it back.

For now I do mostly ddrt unless srt is just the obvious choice. I personally enjoy ddrt more because of the challenge it poses to choosing how to work the tree. Sometimes it's a bust, but it often keeps me from having to redirect as much. Resetting a TIP is easier, limb walks aren't something to avoid (as much), and the above mentioned ponytail redirect is still feasible as with the akimbo. For some reason going back for gear/redirects seems less and less appealing.

The triple threat option looks cool, but I've never had the rope quantity for it. We usually set two lines or send up two climber for a broad canopy where I work now.
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The thing that didn't involve a ring was just tie a butterfly at the top and one in the center of your other line. Connect them with something. (Screw link?)
That gives you three drops to toss about the tree if you choose. So two non dedicated ropes is the requirement.
I suppose it could still be ground retrievable with a base tie and a generous union at the top to let your butterflies slide over.
 
Length was my issue. I had thought to try that with my delta when I saw the triple threat, but didn't have ropes long enough to tie off in the middle and leave adequate tail to work from. Trying it would be fun.

Honestly, I've spent the last year and a half working with guys (in a few companies) that are minimalists who, while adopting advancements, don't mess with most trends. They've been a blend of old and new school. I decided to go with their flow while with them and learn what I can, since I started with a crew that jumped right into all the gear and trends. It was a great experience, and gave me an edge when I went looking to move on in the industry, but I treasure the new (old) perspective I've witnessed lately. I'm not turning into an old fogey, but learning how to do more with less makes each addition that much more valuable. In fact it makes the best advancements stand out all the more, since you know you have a winner when old schoolers adopt and defend it- like the theme of the thread. While it sounds like I'm contradicting because I'm avoiding srt when possible, really I'm just trying to master the advantages of a system with which I'm less familiar. It just happens to be the reverse of most people's progression.

Whew, long winded there, sorry. My intended point that I didn't make is that there isn't a lot of room to get complex where I currently work, so I have to make sure the technique or tool is the perfect match to the situation. There is some "flex" among the crew, but not much. It's definitely an opportunity to grow.
 
Crimsonking said:
Length was my issue. I had thought to try that with my delta when I saw the triple threat, but didn't have ropes long enough to tie off in the middle and leave adequate tail to work from. Trying it would be fun.

Honestly, I've spent the last year and a half working with guys (in a few companies) that are minimalists who, while adopting advancements, don't mess with most trends. They've been a blend of old and new school. I decided to go with their flow while with them and learn what I can, since I started with a crew that jumped right into all the gear and trends. It was a great experience, and gave me an edge when I went looking to move on in the industry, but I treasure the new (old) perspective I've witnessed lately. I'm not turning into an old fogey, but learning how to do more with less makes each addition that much more valuable. In fact it makes the best advancements stand out all the more, since you know you have a winner when old schoolers adopt and defend it- like the theme of the thread. While it sounds like I'm contradicting because I'm avoiding srt when possible, really I'm just trying to master the advantages of a system with which I'm less familiar. It just happens to be the reverse of most people's progression.

Whew, long winded there, sorry. My intended point that I didn't make is that there isn't a lot of room to get complex where I currently work, so I have to make sure the technique or tool is the perfect match to the situation. There is some "flex" among the crew, but not much. It's definitely an opportunity to grow.
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That's cool, and I've done a lot of work that way. The hardest thing about it is picking out the technique that will fit perfectly before you've toyed heavily with each of them. I've had a few heads shaken at me while I was figuring stuff out. I have also had a few seasoned tree men kind of stuck in a stupor when they see some of these tricks and toys. (The one throw, base tie, SRT half frog scramble 50 feet before the bucket in the front yard has the outriggers set has always made them interested.)
I am sure that a more production and tried-and-true oriented crew will teach you something that all the forums on the planet can't, which is how to work.
 
The limb walk return.
I do my best to do as the name suggests and walk it back, using the rope just for balance.
Not gonna happen every time, I know, so yea redirects or set up an easy haul-back.
But mostly....
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Got to stay fit!
 
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