Crane Accident in PA

classictruckman said:
Engineers don't give a damn about truck frame deflection when they're calculating load charts.
It's all based on counterweight and tipping axis. With the cab end unsupported all of that weight is now anti counterweight since it's on the wrong side of tipping axis(front outriggers)
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It is obvious that a rear mount truck crane/boom truck is the best for the challenging set ups faced by a tree service. The front mount guy is going to set up so he doesn't have to boom over the cab all the time putting it in jeopardy. Then he looses all that reach with the bed in the way of a closer set up and/or having too work over the side all the time. With any brains the buyer goes out shopping for a rear mount. That is where the rear stabilizer comes in handy...and you have all that ballast behind you.
 
Learn anything you can anytime anywhere from anybody imo. Sometime watch the Senior Golf Tour. Why can't the old country club club champ just jump in there and kick all their old fat Asses? Cause they know ALL the trix from comparing notes and watching the best all those years.
 
treevet said:
It is obvious that a rear mount truck crane/boom truck is the best for the challenging set ups faced by a tree service. The front mount guy is going to set up so he doesn't have to boom over the cab all the time putting it in jeopardy. Then he looses all that reach with the bed in the way of a closer set up and/or having too work over the side all the time. With any brains the buyer goes out shopping for a rear mount. That is where the rear stabilizer comes in handy...and you have all that ballast behind you.
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Not true. I have been reaching over the cab for 20+ years. It has a lot of advantages including being able to load wood longer than the bed behind it. Adding wood to the bed to make larger trunk picks. being able to dump the load .

I'm not saying a rear mount isn't nice but I find most set ups are taking the tree from in front of my crane and setting them behind it.
 
classictruckman said:
Yes of course, anybody who's running a crane should be able to prove that they've been trained to run said crane, or boom truck
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I agree. If you are required to be properly tested and trained to pick up known weights and place them no farther than the cranes safety devices allow why shouldn't someone be required to when they are picking unknown weights which safety devices do not work to prevent problems?
 
allmark said:
I agree. If you are required to be properly tested and trained to pick up known weights and place them no farther than the cranes safety devices allow why shouldn't someone be required to when they are picking unknown weights which safety devices do not work to prevent problems?
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the fact that the TCIA is lobbying to have tree work exempt from operator licensing and certification is hypocritical of one of the organizations main objectives which is operational safety. its sad that owners let money concerns get in the way of safety.
 
dbl612 said:
the fact that the TCIA is lobbying to have tree work exempt from operator licensing and certification is hypocritical of one of the organizations main objectives which is operational safety. its sad that owners let money concerns get in the way of safety.
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in the state of connecticut the same foolishness has been pushed thru by the tree lobby. tree crane work, obviously one of the most dangerous variants of crane work is exempt from licensing and testing.
 
dbl612 said:
in the state of connecticut the same foolishness has been pushed thru by the tree lobby. tree crane work, obviously one of the most dangerous variants of crane work is exempt from licensing and testing.
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I'm curious, what are the arguments the tree lobby used as the foundation for their exemption?
 
As far as certified ops, as far as I am aware and was informed that anyone using a "crane" to lift as little as 2k lbs. needs to be certified. I will check more into it and maybe someone else knows for sure? Might be a Pennsylvania thing... Tree guys should not be exempt, if not more controlled. We can do some stupid shit. Ditto on TCIA lobby to not??!! Counter productive.

Also I have been on tree buzz since conception but needed to rejoin because old puter crashed. So actually longer than you see. I was also on the original ISA arborist message board, Mark remembers, so does Riggsy. My first crane job was a 80t all-terrain KRUPP back in 1990. Haven't looked back since. So I do have some experience. Thank you for listening!
I'll be here all week!! Please feel free to buy some merchandise on your wY out
 
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