Covid Close To You

Posting this, not as evidence of over reaction, but more to put you at ease. From this morning's NY Times:

‘A huge exaggeration’​
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When the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new guidelines last month for mask wearing, it announced that “less than 10 percent” of Covid-19 transmission was occurring outdoors. Media organizations repeated the statistic, and it quickly became a standard description of the frequency of outdoor transmission.​
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But the number is almost certainly misleading.​
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It appears to be based partly on a misclassification of some Covid transmission that actually took place in enclosed spaces (as I explain below). An even bigger issue is the extreme caution of C.D.C. officials, who picked a benchmark — 10 percent — so high that nobody could reasonably dispute it.​
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That benchmark “seems to be a huge exaggeration,” as Dr. Muge Cevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews, said. In truth, the share of transmission that has occurred outdoors seems to be below 1 percent and may be below 0.1 percent, multiple epidemiologists told me. The rare outdoor transmission that has happened almost all seems to have involved crowded places or close conversation.​
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Saying that less than 10 percent of Covid transmission occurs outdoors is akin to saying that sharks attack fewer than 20,000 swimmers a year. (The actual worldwide number is around 150.) It’s both true and deceiving.​
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This isn’t just a gotcha math issue. It is an example of how the C.D.C. is struggling to communicate effectively, and leaving many people confused about what’s truly risky. C.D.C. officials have placed such a high priority on caution that many Americans are bewildered by the agency’s long list of recommendations. Zeynep Tufekci of the University of North Carolina, writing in The Atlantic, called those recommendations “simultaneously too timid and too complicated.”​
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They continue to treat outdoor transmission as a major risk. The C.D.C. says that unvaccinated people should wear masks in most outdoor settings and vaccinated people should wear them at “large public venues”; summer camps should require children to wear masks virtually “at all times.”​
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These recommendations would be more grounded in science if anywhere close to 10 percent of Covid transmission were occurring outdoors. But it is not. There is not a single documented Covid infection anywhere in the world from casual outdoor interactions, such as walking past someone on a street or eating at a nearby table.​

The article goes on to explain how some data from Singapore construction sites was too broadly classified and misinterpreted to come up with the 10% figure. One study was too limited in what they classified as indoors, and so many gatherings of people were dumped into the outdoor bucket when they weren't clearly an exclusive outdoor activity, such as work, education, shopping, travel, health care, social events, catering, etc.

A final conclusion from the article:

All the while, the scientific evidence points to a conclusion that is much simpler than the C.D.C.’s message: Masks make a huge difference indoors and rarely matter outdoors.​
 
If you are in close contact with other people outdoors, masks can be benficial in my opinion. If you are outside and nobody is near or close to you, then you probably don't need a mask.

I wear a mask when I do estimates because I don't know the behavior of the clients I'm going to see so I want to be prepared in case they are not always mindful about social distancing, etc. When I am on the job site, I wear a neck gaiter to block out dust and also use as a face covering when I may be near my worker, but if we aren't near each other, we pull our face coverings down (unless I'm using mine for dust).

That's just my opinion and what I do.
 
I'm always amazed by how many people don't realize this - until they get fired, lol:

"...it helps to know that the U.S. is an at-will employment jurisdiction...That means that in most cases, employees work at the discretion of their employers and can be fired at any time and for most any reason.​
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“So if you’re a Packers fan, they can fire you,” he said.​

My employer requires a yellow fever vaccination as a condition of employment since they send us to yellow fever endemic locations. Don't like it? Hit the road. They also require a credit check, security check, criminal background check, fingerprints, work and education verification, drug tests, and a medical exam.
 
If someone coughs upwind of you, you get a royal spray down. Just watch carefully, like poker, and if you spot a tell, dodge aside real quick about 5 feet ought to do it, before the cough spray gets you. Don't let your guard down. Split second reaction. Or stay upwind, it might look funny as you maneuver around with the shifting breeze, but hey, that's ok.

Or if they cough and walk away leaving an aerosol cloud, use your radar vision to avoid it. Just like how you avoid fart clouds that a__holes leave behind at the grocery aisle as they anonymously walk away.

I'm being facetious. Practical simple solution is just wear a mask with not-known people. Or social distance. Same old stuff as from day one.

I almost squeezed some fun out of the topic. Who'd'a thunk.


To me, indoor regular breathing is the known spreader. The aerosolizing power of a sneeze or cough and quantity sent out is hugely higher than just breathing, and so negates the aerosol dilution effect of being outdoors.


On a sadder note a 66 year old inlaws relative passed away after 3 1/2 weeks icu. One kid caught it, gave it to spouse, brought it home to parents, both parents caught it and then the one died (wife).
 
Our case numbers have now declined to the same low levels as last summer when we thought we had got a handle on it.

Time will tell. Hope we win out this time.
 
A universal cure for the coronavirus has not yet been invented. But our own body is so unique that it can defeat the disease on its own. For this purpose, it is given a kind of shield in the form of an immune system. This shield must be reliable and robust. To reduce the probability of COVID-19 infection, it is necessary to reduce the concentration of pathogens in the air. It is this that largely determines the likelihood of disease. For your safety, I would recommend that you have instant tests for coronavirus . So that if you have the slightest suspicion, you can do the test because the earlier you start treatment, the greater the likelihood of success.
 
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Chaplain242 said:
If early treatment then HCQ or Ivermectin pretty much covers 85-95% of even ICU patients, but the treatment is being actively suppressed.

As far as current promoted options these may be of interest...


https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ein-travels-from-injection-site-organ-damage/

https://ncrenegade.com/massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine/
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Those articles are interesting. I won’t express my opinions of them here, as I prefer to keep to tree topics on this forum. I will however mention my feeling that Eygon may be a spammer, if so in a few days that post will be edited to become much longer and will then contain a spammy backlink to an unrelated site. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m guessing I am not.
 
Just saw a news blurb that 1 dose of Pfizer only gets you about 30% protected against the new delta variant, which is on its way to being the predominant strain.

DOH!

1 dose of Pfizer used to stand you in pretty good stead on the first variants. Don't let your guard down just yet.
 
The other day it was quietly announced that 600,000 deaths had been attained in the U.S.

Hope that's the end of the big loss of life.

Stay safe.
 
A friend of mine sent me a note yesterday afternoon saying that her 52 year old son has Covid. His wife and kids just brought him to the hospital today. I asked if had gotten his vax shots. She said that he told her he was. 'Too busy to be vaccinated'

Sheesh!
 
Tom Dunlap said:
A friend of mine sent me a note yesterday afternoon saying that her 52 year old son has Covid. His wife and kids just brought him to the hospital today. I asked if had gotten his vax shots. She said that he told her he was. 'Too busy to be vaccinated'

Sheesh!
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That sucks... It's STILL here and worse than before with all the mutations. My two man babies (employee's) both are unvaxed... hopefully they wont get this crap, and if they do it will simply be a lesson..
 
The wife works at an assisted living home... they have 28 cases of Delta variant all in people who were vaccinated (Pfizer vaccine). Although they all tested positive, none of them are seriously ill, so the vaccines seem to do a very good job of mitigating the effects of the virus. All of these folks are 75+ years old, so that's especially good news.

On the other hand, there have been several Covid deaths recently in this town of about a thousand people. The overwhelming majority of them are sticking to the "it's all a lefty hoax" line, as their friends and relatives gasp their final breaths. I was going to give an example of just how depraved this thinking is, in some specific cases, but it wouldn't serve any useful purpose. But I will say that if you can watch your family die in front of you, yet continue to spout this bullshit while spreading the very disease that killed your family members to the rest of the town because "masks violate my rights".... well, don't be surprised if your funeral is very quick with nobody in attendance.
 
Really worthwhile read is Spillover by David Quammen - on zoonotic viruses - you will not look at viruses the same way after the book - esp. RNA viruses and NPV. Author did a good job. iBooks available.
I take all that JeffGu cites above and more, as evidence that we haven't evolved that much as a species after all - and we're regressing it seems.
Cheers.

Addenda: Book explains a bit about viral evolution and ecology - viral strains which are really virulent (host morbidity and mortality is very high) don't tend to do that well overall in nature - the game is to not killl all your hosts or you're toast too . . . this doesn't preclude man fiddling with RNA in ways that nature didn't get around to. Sigh.


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So now Pfizer is saying booster shots may be needed this year, partly I guess because of the Delta variant but the CDC and other health agencies say they aren’t needed??



About a month or two ago I cut out all exposure to Covid news and news in general. No more checking the case numbers, no more checking the news, etc. Not to be ignorant about what’s going on but sometimes you just need a break from everything for your psychological and physical well-being. Think it did me some good.
 
I saw a few minutes of coverage about the Pfizer booster shot thing. It left me with the impression that Fauci was P.O.'ed that Pfizer put out their statement without giving the CDC a heads up.
 
My 84 year old uncle passed away down in South MS yesterday. Not sure of all the details other than he had COVID earlier this year, recovered, then went into hospital with it recently - post vaccine - then they weren't sure, then they thought it was Delta variant, put in nursing home for 2 weeks, took a gasp of air yesterday and that was it. My only info is coming from my semi-retarded fat know-it-all sister, but I understand my cousin, who is a pretty level headed guy, is starting to wake up to the reality of it all. I loved that old guy, but I am not looking forward to going to this funeral. I can only imagine the political COVID BS that is fixing to get spewed. I'm only gonna go down for day, be a pallbearer, eat, then come home.
 
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