Congratulations President Barak Obama!

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It ain't that simple. If you are on welfare and get a job that can't pay your bills, you still lose welfare. If you then lose the job, you have to go through extensive red tape to get back on welfare. People living at the edge might be easy targets, but you're dreaming if you think their benefits represent a significant part of our national budget. Show some compassion. Nobody wants to be on welfare. That stereotype of people who gleefully do nothing so they can stay on the dole is either pure fantasy or, at best, represents a tiny fraction of welfare recipients.

And everyone who buys anything other than food pays taxes. Plenty of people (even some not on welfare, and many of them working multiple jobs) pay no income tax, but we all pay sales tax and we all pay property tax (either directly or as part of our rent).

I understand the frustration of feeling your hard-earned money is supporting some lazy bum. But if you really look at the facts, a lot more of your money goes to advertise the lottery or subsidize the oil industry. Read <u>All our Kin</u> by Carol Stack for a real look at welfare society. It's pretty out-of-date, but still very enlightening about those "bums" on welfare.
 
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Babberney you said it best. I used to run training and job search programs for welfare recipients. There was a multitude of reasons for them being there but very few wanted to stay on it. The scrutiny and loss of control over ones life is one issue they had to deal with, for others the situation was the loss of a job they held for years without ever having the opportunity, money, or aptitude to retrain. It was the rare person I saw that was the stereotypical "welfare bum". They were seen as unemployable by companies who demand higher and higher levels of skills and education for basic jobs. And the jobs that were available left them in the trap you've described. In Canada, a welfare recipient can have the value of food donated deducted from there check. Any help can be considered earnings and therefore deducted. Irony of ironies, a single mom with 3 kids living on welfare in Toronto found a plastic bag full of money that was intended to fill an ATM was offered a reward after she immediately turned it in. The money wasn't traceable yet her attitude was that it was the right thing to do. This was no small amount of cash she found but somewhere in the 10s of thousands if not more. If she accepted the reward money she would no longer be eligible for welfare and would end up worse off. It took the mayor to intervene to ensure she wouldn't be penalized for her honesty.

I've seen people who tried for years to get a job finally get the leg up the system was meant to provide through training dollars funded by the welfare system. The companies that hired these people were as grateful as the individuals themselves.

The system is imperfect, like the many companies out there that would rather go short staffed then train someone to do the job.
 
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I worked for a millionaire today and saw the capitalist trickle down effect in action in the most vivid way.

The house was having work done on it by at least 30 people involved in various trades - roofers, decorators, plumbers, electricians, builders etc.

The millionaire was spending money which other poorer people were benefitting from. This is why we shouldn't tax the rich too heavily otherwise if we do the government will take that tax and mis-spend it... giving it to bums and welfare cheats instead of letting the millionaire give it to hardworking bluecollar peasants like me.

The millionaire spends money - we all make money.

Then again the unfettered market has got us into the godawful mess we're in today. And any serious society needs to keep a check on the greedy capitalist pigs otherwise they will abuse the system.




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WASHINGTON -- President Obama warned Republicans on Capitol Hill today that they need to quit listening to radio king Rush Limbaugh if they want to get along with Democrats and the new administration.
"You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done," he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package.
One White House official confirmed the comment but said he was simply trying to make a larger point about bipartisan efforts.
"There are big things that unify Republicans and Democrats," the official said. "We shouldn't let partisan politics derail what are very important things that need to get done."
That wasn't Obama's only jab at Republicans today.
In an exchange with Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) about the proposal, the president shot back: "I won," according to aides briefed on the meeting.
"I will trump you on that."
Not that Obama was gloating. He was just explaining that he aims to get his way on stimulus package and all other legislation, sources said, noting his unrivaled one-party control of both congressional chambers.
"We are experiencing an unprecedented economic crisis that has to be dealt with and dealt with rapidly," Obama said during the meeting.
Republicans say the $825 billion price tag is too big a burden for a nation crippled by debt and that it doesn't do enough to stimulate the economy by cutting taxes.
"You know, I'm concerned about the size of the package. And I'm concerned about some of the spending that's in there, [about] ... how you can spend hundreds of millions on contraceptives," House GOP Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) later said.
"How does that stimulate the economy?"
But White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs countered: "There was a lot of agreement in that room about the notion that we're facing an economic crisis unlike we've seen in quite some time ... that we must act quickly to stimulate the economy, create jobs, put money back in people's pockets."
Gibbs disagreed with those who called the meeting window dressing.
"The president is certainly going to listen to any ideas," he said.
"He will also go to Capitol Hill the beginning of next week to talk to Republican caucuses and solicit their input and their ideas."

Gibs says Obama will listen to other idea, but Obama says give up what you believe is right and listening to the corrupt "Rush" if you are going to get along with the dems which is it???
He is basically also saying we need censorship!! OH yeah thats next on the agenda its called the Censorship doctrine or un"Fairness doctrine" to shut up the opposition, also because liberal radio cant make it without government proping it up but that is beside the point.
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If censorship shuts-up divisive and drug-addicted slobs who use hate and fear and ignorance to drive irrelevent issues ad-nauseum for the sake of a buck up, I'm all for it.
 
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The gap between haves and have nots grows wider daily and that is not due to the government or taxes.

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this has everything to do with taxes and government. why give my and your monies away to execs? why raise the taxes on any person, household, or business, that earns 150K or more? so they can just give it to the poor? why does Barack Obamas "Stimulus" package include 100 million dollars to re sod the white house lawn? and 300 million to condoms in schools? government waste is exponentially grosser in this country than any other.

I will stand by Hussein, because he is our leader. doesnt mean I have to agree with him though.
 
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I much prefer that we elect a member of the Libertarian party to office. Get rid of the IRS as we know it and the floating tax scale. Loosen restrictions on taxes and RESPONSIBLE gun owners. And get rid of this overrun machine called the government, reform the whole system, lessen waste and burden. Strengthen our military and stop giving so much aide to countries who do not appreciate it. We give BILLIONS to Africa as a continent, especially Nigeria and the surrounding region. They try to hijack our ships, kill and kidnap our citizens, and then run commercials blaming us for the poor living conditions! No more aid, and see how they do then.

Why are we the only country in the world that gives aid and rebuilds the countries we bomb and defeat in war?

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Hey BB,
Could you please start posting links to the information that you cite.

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which part do you want facts on? the billio.s last year to Africa? we have given 3.3 trillion in the past 40 years! and you gripe about the trillions were in debt for over the war? how about the 3.5 trillion the liberal congress has given to the big mortgage and auto companies? no gripes there right? because Pelosi approved it?


How about defending some of Husseins earmarks in his stimulus package? or the fact that only 1/3of that money will be spent before 2011? kind of funny it starts being spent willy nilly right around an election year huh?
 
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If censorship shuts-up divisive and drug-addicted slobs who use hate and fear and ignorance to drive irrelevent issues ad-nauseum for the sake of a buck up, I'm all for it.

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of course you are.

when will the torture take place?
 
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that's the great thing about America even the drug-addicted slobs who use hate and fear and ignorance to drive irrelevant issues ad-nausseum, they have just as much right to say there piece as senators who run male prostitution rings out of one of the rental house (i.e. mush mouth) and still gets re-elected. Some times I wonder about people but thats the beauty of the whole processes like it or not.
It is the volley of ideas and interests that make this country great and to shut up one or the other for the sake of one or the other, so one or the other can always get there way would be a travesty. It puts too much power in one spot. Now lets hug a tree and sing. LOL
 
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I much prefer that we elect a member of the Libertarian party to office. Get rid of the IRS as we know it and the floating tax scale. Loosen restrictions on taxes and RESPONSIBLE gun owners. And get rid of this overrun machine called the government, reform the whole system, lessen waste and burden. Strengthen our military and stop giving so much aide to countries who do not appreciate it. We give BILLIONS to Africa as a continent, especially Nigeria and the surrounding region. They try to hijack our ships, kill and kidnap our citizens, and then run commercials blaming us for the poor living conditions! No more aid, and see how they do then.

Why are we the only country in the world that gives aid and rebuilds the countries we bomb and defeat in war?

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Hey BB,
Could you please start posting links to the information that you cite.

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which part do you want facts on? the billio.s last year to Africa? we have given 3.3 trillion in the past 40 years! and you gripe about the trillions were in debt for over the war? how about the 3.5 trillion the liberal congress has given to the big mortgage and auto companies? no gripes there right? because Pelosi approved it?


How about defending some of Husseins earmarks in his stimulus package? or the fact that only 1/3of that money will be spent before 2011? kind of funny it starts being spent willy nilly right around an election year huh?

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How about a link to some information about how much money we send to Nigeria? Some info backing up the claim about 3.5 trillion to bail out mortgage companies would be cool too.
 
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You stand by him, yet you refer to him by his middle name because it is more controversial? I think a lot of us might prefer you stand with the other side. Or is there some other reason you call him Hussein? Leftover from talking about W. all the time?
 
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keep talking wilt and further prove that you are an ignoramus! if you like Sweden and Europe so much why dont you move there???!!!
You like others have a "slobbering love afair w Obama?, Dude, check out the pork that is in the bill!!! at a time when our nation needs to be disciplined in its spending,WHy all the crap in the bill??? it will stimulate NADA?!!
It is not about left right:republican or dem : liberal or conservative! it should be about integrity,honor,truth,none of these political pigs have it!! can you imagine how people would have reacted if Bush nominated a treasury sec who did not pay his taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am looking for some intellectual honesty here people would be FLIPING OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dont drink the KOOL AID!!!
 
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I think it's simple - the nation spoke by election. The last loser fled.

We can retool the health care industry, the auto manufacturers, energy, science and education and restore fairness and order back to who should pay fair shares of the costs.

Thieves have for too many years ripped-off the soul of a nation.

If you're not interested in helping to rebuild America, it's not the victorious who should leave, it's the ones who helped create this mess.
 
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You stand by him, yet you refer to him by his middle name because it is more controversial? I think a lot of us might prefer you stand with the other side. Or is there some other reason you call him Hussein? Leftover from talking about W. all the time?

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For simplification ill call him H, OK with you?

He supports domestic terrorists!!!!!!! He has 4 Billion dollars earmarked for Acorn!! A group run by Bill Ayers, whom hate our constitution. This stimulus package is Pornographic!!!!

Hussein won by 3-4 points,not exactly a landslide! we will see how far he digs himself in with the single largest pork bill ever. maybe he will top our last liberal prez.....remember when clinton enacted the largest tax hike in the history of our nation? not ONE conservative voted for it. hopefully they will do the same with H......?
 
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Barack Obama is very European. He thinks before he speaks. He's astute. His favourite song is Gimme Shelter by The Rolling Stones and he said if he wasn't President he'd want to be Bruce Springsteen. Not exactly the qualities of a man wishing to donate money to terrorists.

What about the Boss's new song anyway, how shite is that?! 'Working on a dream' with the crappy whistling, wtf was he thinking?!
 
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