Compact Bulldog Bone

I have been using the backside of my 2-1 lanyard to tend the wrench (Bone) on long ascents with my knee ascender (Saka) for the same reasons Eric and Gmcttr are speaking off. Neck bungee for short ascents while working the tree.
 
oceans said:
I would not, only because it would reduce the tending capabilities. Stretch is a detriment in my opinion. I like the positive feel of webbing alone, especially when connecting to the DSRT system I've been using lately, which is 2 Bones and a HAAS.
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Yeah, you need some stout stuff to haul up that much baggage. :burlas: I am starting to think that a bungee system might be the safest on the BDB. As stated, you don't want whatever you use to interfere with the proper sequence of engagement. Even with a soft link, if there is no stretch it can create a problem.
 
DSMc said:
Yeah, you need some stout stuff to haul up that much baggage. :burlas: I am starting to think that a bungee system might be the safest on the BDB. As stated, you don't want whatever you use to interfere with the proper sequence of engagement. Even with a soft link, if there is no stretch it can create a problem.
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I'll carry that baggage, because it's LESS than what you carry. Your baggage being the idea that DSRT is too much to manage. That's heavy, my friend! Carry on!;)
Is "safest" an actual thing? Can you unpack that, along with your thoughts on the problem arising from no stretch in a tending system?
I'm gonna make a sammich and eat it while reading your reply.
 
Shortened both arms. It is easy to operate the bone this way with both hands for me. The link on the lower arm acts as nubs and won't let the arms touch or cross load.
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TylerHoffman said:
Shortened both arms. It is easy to operate the bone this way with both hands for me. The link on the lower arm acts as nubs and won't let the arms touch or cross load.
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This is something that I thought could have been done. Thanks for being the first to actually do it. Keep is all posted about how it works as time goes by.

I'm interested to see if moving the pivot point of the upper arm (like some have done for thicker ropes) makes a good compliment or your mod. If the pivot relocation makes it easier to release and control the Bone, I can really see the shorter arms working.

Right now (prolly due to my weight), I like the leverage I have with the arms at stock length.
 
oceans said:
I'll carry that baggage, because it's LESS than what you carry. Your baggage being the idea that DSRT is too much to manage. That's heavy, my friend! Carry on!;)
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Sorry for the derailment here but....Eric, the videos that you and Kevin have posted on DSRT are quite impressive. But try as I might I can only see 3 or 4 moments during those climbs where having two separate systems made things better and none that couldn't have been accomplished with a long lanyard. I do understand how to use and the benefits of two systems and actually do so when the need arises. But just as I don't drag a chainsaw around the entire tree if I only need it for a cut or two I don't see myself using two separate systems unless I need them. Also, the efficiency of a system is not best judged by how well a highly skilled and innovative climber deals with it but, instead, how an average climber fairs. I think everyone has seen an old-school climber on DdRT smoke a tree. I can admire that but in no way does it make me want to go back to using that system.
 
DSMc said:
Sorry for the derailment here but....Eric, the videos that you and Kevin have posted on DSRT are quite impressive. But try as I might I can only see 3 or 4 moments during those climbs where having two separate systems made things better and none that couldn't have been accomplished with a long lanyard. I do understand how to use and the benefits of two systems and actually do so when the need arises. But just as I don't drag a chainsaw around the entire tree if I only need it for a cut or two I don't see myself using two separate systems unless I need them. Also, the efficiency of a system is not best judged by how well a highly skilled and innovative climber deals with it but, instead, how an average climber fairs. I think everyone has seen an old-school climber on DdRT smoke a tree. I can admire that but in no way does it make me want to go back to using that system.
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It's a conversation worth having. I have seen old schoolers climb. I used to climb on those very systems (manila excluded). Knowing how it can be done without any of this is good for everyone, but I'm leaving the pole saw in the truck, right next to my Blake's hitch.

To be honest, I'm not really even sure of my skill. My guess is I'm probably more average than you might be suggesting. What I've tried to demonstrate are some of the possibilities of a DSRT system, and those continue to arise every time I use it. I'm also learning more and more that carrying two tails in symmetry is like carrying one.

I've had a few prunes lately that had me laughing like a kid as I unlocked even more ideas. The way I was able to plan my work was unreal. When I want it, I have it, and when I don't, it's pretty much as if it's not there.

You do have a point though, that I'm not under the scrutiny of anyone but myself, so no one really cares when I'm trying something new during my daily work. For that, I feel blessed. If I'm slow, it's my bad. If I'm fast, still nobody cares.

I respect you to no end, David. You've made me want to show even more how DSRT can be easy for anyone. I don't know how to do that, but I'll keep thinking on it. In the meantime, passing redirects, vectoring my position, and leaving my tiny-azz lanyard on hip will continue to be a dream.
 
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Do it up . Be a legend in your own mind! Between your new chest harness idea and little tending tether idea from mikepowers. In combo with all tending thoughts on static vs. bungee . I'm trying this little bungee loop tether . Any thoughts?
 

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Treetopflyer said:
...Any thoughts?
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It will stretch 3" and then become static.;)

FWIW, using Mike's first tether location through the center of the upper link and a static tether, I have not been able to keep the BDB from grabbing as I was able to do when tethered off the back of the tether hole...and I have tried repeatedly with different rope, bollard and even custom top arm configurations.
 
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Treetopflyer said:
Do it up . Be a legend in your own mind! Between your new chest harness idea and little tending tether idea from mikepowers. In combo with all tending thoughts on static vs. bungee . I'm trying this little bungee loop tether . Any thoughts?
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Aaron, I think that could work nicely. I just want to understand why...Is it sort of a variation on Mike's tending idea without concern of the ring preventing the top arms from engaging?
 
oceans said:
I just want to understand why...Is it sort of a variation on Mike's tending idea without concern of the ring preventing the top arms from engaging?
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I didn't even think about a ring at all . Just looking for a little give as I'm moving. Didn't put a whole lot of thought into why , just sorta spawned after I put a chest harness together . I've always thrown a lanyard over shoulder and its got no give . and a bit more cumbersome I believe . So I'm just giving this a try . Semi Static over the bone instead of no give. I'm not a fan of neck tethers bungee or other wise . The tree climbers belts turned chest harness is what brought it together for me . Just was in my shed grabbing a little biner to finish the harness and the bungee started staring at me and there you have it!
 
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gmcttr said:
It will stretch 3" and then become static.;)

FWIW, using Mike's first tether location through the center of the upper link and a static tether, I have not been able to keep the BDB from grabbing as I was able to do when tethered off the back of the tether hole...and I have tried repeatedly with different rope, bollard and even custom top arm configurations.
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The first statement you almost stooped to my level ;) Then you came back to help ! Thanks for the info Reed.
 
i tried mikes config today and it didn't tend very nicely for me. I was using a static neck tether. Would a bungi neck tether fix the problem??
 
What if... where ur chest harness comes together in the front, u girth hitch it together with some bungee and a biner if that makes sense.
 
Treetopflyer said:
It didn't even think about a ring at all . Just looking for a little give as I'm moving. Didn't put a whole lot of thought into why , just sorta spawned after I put a chest harness together . I've always thrown a lanyard over shoulder and its got no give . and a bit more cumbersome I believe . So I'm just giving this a try . Semi Static over the bone instead of no give. I'm not a fan of neck tethers bungee or other wise . The tree climbers belts turned chest harness is what brought it together for me . Just was in my shed grabbing a little biner to finish the harness and the bungee started staring at me and there you have it!
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You know, sometimes the bit of kit just lying around serve as great ingredients for new projects. Give it a go and let us know! I only thought of the ring as a means of not allowing the bungee loop to fall down inside the ingenious mechanismic awesomeness of the Bone's internals.
 
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