Climbing with TIP in Another Tree

[RareRussianClimbingMonkey]

Hello folks,
I would like to practice climbing a tree while having a primary TIP placed above in another tree and had questions. Is there a maximum angle (or a rise/span pitch) that you would allow on your primary TIP? Assuming no TIP in climbed tree, is TIP in another tree and a lanyard to keep me tethered to the work tree sufficient to mitigate the risk of swinging? Or would you suspend yourself between two TIPs and float in the middle?

Bonus points: I'm also interested in all the common ways that people screw up when having TIPs in trees other than the work tree. Not interested in learning those lessons the hard way.

 

[moss]

You deal with mitigating swing back risk all the time climbing in a broad-crowned tree, it's the same for the scenario you describe. Helps to use two lanyards or a lanyard and second climbing line to reduce risk when you make moves in the second tree.

Theoretically you can go with a completely flat rope angle from the first tree, assuming you set up your primary anchor so there are no sideloading issues on the TIP tree. If you're climbing SRT makes it all easier, you can set redirects to improve rope angles in the second tree.

Floating on two lines is fine too, how you do it depends on the trees you're climbing, so many variables.
-AJ

 

[JeffGu]

Helps to use two lanyards or a lanyard and second climbing line to reduce risk when you make moves in the second tree.

Another wise man of the trees. Multiple lines... multiple lanyards... can solve so many problems, you'll think bucket trucks are a luxury, not a necessity.
Well, within reason, anyway.

It's certainly the way to go when one line is in another tree.

 

[rope-a-dope]

I love using multiple trees in the same project. I usually feel safer in sketchy stuff with my load spread through two canopies.
Watch out for wind gusts blowing the tall tree your rope is in, or both trees blowing around, you can get yanked pretty good. Same goes for cutting large pieces/rigging out of one tree or the other. Two trees will move independently or affect one another through the ropework. Usually you can use this to your advantage...

 

[Luke Haas]

If I use a tie in from another tree I will always put a second climbing line in the tree I’m working in. Typically, I’ll use an SRT line in the tree I’m not working in, i’ve found it’s easier to move through the work trees canopy. Like moss said, there’s a lot of variables.

 

[EXPERTECH LLC]

You can have any angle on a climbing line you just won't be able to use that rope as a fast way to the ground. Just carry up and use a second climbing line and work off both. If the climbing line is more than work positioning and really is more fall arrest, any angle could hurt if you have to be caught by the one line. Remember "george of the jungle". The more extreme the angle, the faster you smash into that tree.

I usually always carry 2 ropes up with me and install one as close to vertical as possible. Paid the price once many years ago. Tied in below me because I was worried the topI was in was going to snap out and let me down. I then dislocated my shoulder and was stuck because I didn't have a rope where I was for a one handed descent. Now I always have a one handed way to the ground. Can't do that with extreme angles on your climbing line.