Climbing hitches

Mi10 said:
Is the xt a great hitch to use
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Yes it is a great hitch to use...same for the Michoachan (aka Martin), Distel, Valdotain (+Tresse), Knut, Todd Kramer, Cooper's :sisi:
Important is to know the intention of their creators and the intention of you. Unfortunately I know it only for some of them. The VT has been invented because all the other where to "slow" in descent. But that has to be payed with less security. The XT is the first step to make the VT more secure because of the crossing it grabs more reliable. In the same line is the Sooper Cooper. Due to more crossings it is effective and secure together.

Basically higher performance has to be payed with more sit back (curious is the Cooper's which has less sit back than it looks like). If your focus is reliability then Martin, Distel, Knut, TK is the choice for you.

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Howie65 said:
Yes it is a great hitch to use...same for the Michoachan (aka Martin), Distel, Valdotain (+Tresse), Knut, Todd Kramer, Cooper's :sisi:
Important is to know the intention of their creators and the intention of you. Unfortunately I know it only for some of them. The VT has been invented because all the other where to "slow" in descent. But that has to be payed with less security. The XT is the first step to make the VT more secure because of the crossing it grabs more reliable. In the same line is the Sooper Cooper. Due to more crossings it is effective and secure together.

Basically higher performance has to be payed with more sit back (curious is the Cooper's which has less sit back than it looks like). If your focus is reliability then Martin, Distel, Knut, TK is the choice for you.

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What do u mean by "sit back"?
 
As you ascend, the hitch is loose, offering very little friction. Now, when you stop, it's the amount of travel and "free fall" distance as you weight the hitch again... literally, as you sit back there will be some distance you move before the hitch grabs and your movement stops. Hopefully, this is just the amount of slop/slack in the system and the hitch will grab with barely any movement down the rope. The length of the cord you use is important to minimizes it, as well as the particular hitch you're using.

As Howie65 said, some hitches (like the VT) offer great performance, fast and smooth descents or maybe real low friction on ascent, but that usually takes a longer cord and there's more sitback as a tradeoff. Distel and Knut, on the other hand, are short, compact hitches with low sitback and need a shorter cord. They grab reliably and quickly, seldom lock up (big guys may have some problem with this)... but offer a bit of drag on ascent that some people don't like.
 
JeffGu said:
As you ascend, the hitch is loose, offering very little friction. Now, when you stop, it's the amount of travel and "free fall" distance as you weight the hitch again... literally, as you sit back there will be some distance you move before the hitch grabs and your movement stops. Hopefully, this is just the amount of slop/slack in the system and the hitch will grab with barely any movement down the rope. The length of the cord you use is important to minimizes it, as well as the particular hitch you're using.

As Howie65 said, some hitches (like the VT) offer great performance, fast and smooth descents or maybe real low friction on ascent, but that usually takes a longer cord and there's more sitback as a tradeoff. Distel and Knut, on the other hand, are short, compact hitches with low sitback and need a shorter cord. They grab reliably and quickly, seldom lock up (big guys may have some problem with this)... but offer a bit of drag on ascent that some people don't like.
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Thanks man. Ive been using vt for a while now. I'm gonna have to check those other ones out to see how I like them. I'm one of those that I hate the drag on ascent...It seems like any knot this will hold you is eventually gonna get a little tight anyway. Which kind of stinks.
 
Play around with them. I found that I eventually settled on one that for me works very reliably and consistently on most rope/cord combinations that I have. The journey is half the fun, as they say. I still play around with different ones, sometimes, but when I'm working I tend to stick with what I know works for me, until I discover something that works as good or better. I've moved to mostly mechanicals, but I still love to use the hitch climber setup sometimes on DdRT. Until the Akimbo hits production, I'm still using the Rope Wrench and hitch setup for SRT.

Good luck with your search for that perfect hitch for your weight/style. It's out there, I'm sure.
 
I'm not a fan of sit back. Personally I would trade sit back for added ascending friction. It's the only reason I don't like the VT.
My favs right now are the distel and michoacan. But I love this conversation!

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Distel all the way. It works reliably once the cordage is broken in. I adjust mine before ascent and it has little friction until I work on it a little bit. Before descent I put a munter under the hitch climber and loosen the hitch so it does not see decent friction. All on DdRT or DmRT.
 
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