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[Colin]

I leeched him from the smilies at my forum.

I have nearly 700.

 

[JamesTX]

I'll go with dsankt on this one.

Exploring/adventure seeking is not about getting rid of all danger and risk - just reducing it to acceptable levels.

A skydiver has two chutes on - but he's still jumping out of a plane. Climbing Mt. Everest is considered an acceptable adventure, but lots of people die doing that. Skying, hunting, diving, racing - all adventures that have the chance of killing the participant.

Tree climbers take more precautions because they are doing it everyday. Dsankt may have a few hundred of these types of adventures during his life - a treeclimber will expose themselves to danger that many times in one year. The greater the exposure the greater the precautions.

In any case, I've always been fascinated by urban exploring. Good stuff, dsankt.

 

[frans]

Thank you for coming to the TreeHouse and explaining the details of your climb.
You have shown ALOT of good character!

Your site narrative was written to be entertaining not factual right?
"I write it to lean more towards entertaining than informative".

Well, in that case dont take it personally if someone questions your account.

I do take safety very seriously. I am someone who has done hundreds of tree climbing expeditions all with a team. We take as our number one priority: SAFETY. Fun comes after safety always. In our daily tree work I ALWAYS have a back up plan that involves such things as Cell phones, back up climbing gear available, first aid kits, ready transportation, to name a few.

Your trip seems like a most incredible journey.

I would urge you to re-consider your stated attitude regarding the level of risk. You are not going to just walk away from a hurt or killed team member and leave them there are you? If you all could not rescue a team member because of some horrendous event, I would think you would go for help. Not leave them there.

You have just said that, but I dont think you would actually do this would you?

Backup ascent/descent lines seem like a reasonable precaution to me considering that you are in an area of sharp rusted metal and descending into unknown areas.
You said that it was too hard to pack all that into the area. but you made two (2) trips according to your account. plenty of time to bring what you need.

And what about belays?

Again, you answering me on this forum is great, thanks again.

 

[TreeCo]

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One of the TreeBuzz members comes to my site, preaches to me with what they said above and asks me to come here and offer my opinion. Here I am.



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Thanks for signing on here at the Buzz. Be prepared for more righteous indignation and thread spammers.

 

[dsankt]

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Thank you for coming to the TreeHouse and explaining the details of your climb.
You have shown ALOT of good character!


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Apologies for my slow reply - adventures have been keeping me busy of late.

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I would urge you to re-consider your stated attitude regarding the level of risk. You are not going to just walk away from a hurt or killed team member and leave them there are you? If you all could not rescue a team member because of some horrendous event, I would think you would go for help. Not leave them there.

You have just said that, but I dont think you would actually do this would you?


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Whoa hold up, where did I say that we'd abandon someone? I think you misread something. We wouldn't leave someone in that tunnel, if we couldn't haul them out ourselves for whatever reason we would seek help yes. We'd get assistance before leaving someone, but after we attempted a rescue (their injuries depending of course).

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Backup ascent/descent lines seem like a reasonable precaution to me considering that you are in an area of sharp rusted metal and descending into unknown areas.
You said that it was too hard to pack all that into the area. but you made two (2) trips according to your account. plenty of time to bring what you need.


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We made a bunch of trips in to the plant, but only one carting all the things we'd need. The preliminary trips were to recon the site and for these we traveled as light as possible. We aimed to make the least trips possible, what if you took an extra trip and got caught on one of them? Is that risk worth it? Is the risk of one rope worth it?

Noone has any suggestions about how to rig from my description? Oh well.

ds

 

[frans]

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Thank you for coming to the TreeHouse and explaining the details of your climb.
You have shown ALOT of good character!


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Apologies for my slow reply - adventures have been keeping me busy of late.

Hey, the fact you would answer my questions and challanges is great. Thanks again.
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I would urge you to re-consider your stated attitude regarding the level of risk. You are not going to just walk away from a hurt or killed team member and leave them there are you? If you all could not rescue a team member because of some horrendous event, I would think you would go for help. Not leave them there.

You have just said that, but I dont think you would actually do this would you?


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Whoa hold up, where did I say that we'd abandon someone? I think you misread something. We wouldn't leave someone in that tunnel, if we couldn't haul them out ourselves for whatever reason we would seek help yes. We'd get assistance before leaving someone, but after we attempted a rescue (their injuries depending of course).

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Backup ascent/descent lines seem like a reasonable precaution to me considering that you are in an area of sharp rusted metal and descending into unknown areas.
You said that it was too hard to pack all that into the area. but you made two (2) trips according to your account. plenty of time to bring what you need.


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We made a bunch of trips in to the plant, but only one carting all the things we'd need. The preliminary trips were to recon the site and for these we traveled as light as possible. We aimed to make the least trips possible, what if you took an extra trip and got caught on one of them? Is that risk worth it? Is the risk of one rope worth it?

Noone has any suggestions about how to rig from my description? Oh well.

ds

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I guess I have not bent my mind around the sheer illeagality of your adventure.
Still, I would have belayed on the descent as well as the catwalk climb and also approaching the falls.
Setting pitons for the main access/descent/ascent rope is fine, folks do it all the time.
But how about carrying in another rope to belay for the descent? This rope could be connected to just about anything, pitons, existing hardware etc.
Carrying in another rope, 7/16" kernmantle 200' is not heavy or even bulky.


Your point is, you stated that your account was designed to sensationalize your trip and was not based on fact.

My point is, as someone who has done these things many times (you have to take my word on that), it is easy to incorporate systems where everyone is much safer.

I am of the belief that these safety concerns were overlooked on your trip.