Charlotte's OPEN INTERNATIONAL INVITATIONAL TCC

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ok , but one guy knew to leave the dummy in the tree . CMON , no heads up there . Don't assume the emt is the man , it could be just a person with nothing to do and learning on the job . You will be lucky to geta pro paramedic and not an angry one. Keep the comps fair , click your heals and everyone wishes they were home ! THe person who left the dummy in the tree had a heads up , because you are scored to get him down ! How did he know ? How do you know to ignore three box scores ? Insider trading ? Hey . let's lay a hot wire on the tree , no one enters it . How do you score that ? JOKE !!!! You did people wrong there at that comp by not giving them a fair shot . FACT
 
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Blinky you are full of Sh*T . "They were judged the same and scored the same against the same standards, no one had an advantage. " HOW ? you have five minutes to get a dummy to the ground . OH , WAIT , LEARNING CURVE . bite me . ONE guy left the dummy in the tree and won ? no advantage ? PLEASE new rule , YOu have five minutes NOT to get the dummy to the ground . Really? wow , way to teach robbery , cause a lot of people got ROBBED!
 
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If anyone left the dummy in the tree it was because they timed out trying to get it down....... All of us brought the dummy down, even the winners. if I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
 
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In your quest to be different you became crooked , good luck with that . What ever makes you sleep better . HEY , there's a person in the tree , GET EM . no no WAIT don't get em . Well , no , get em . um hold up , I can't get a signal . get em . wait come down , they're in a traffic jam , but he's ok right ? hold up , ........ is this blood gonna hurt the flowers ? should we , um like move the flowers ? or like spin him so he bleeds down the trunk . Cool we got it , I learned this at the Charoleete tcc , better tho bleed to death in the tree than on the ground . Cause as a tree guy , I rather die in a tree than on the ground , YEAh , thats what I'm bleeding about ! I'm losing too much blood , Blinky is on his cell , oh man , he's doing me right , he knows I want to die in this tree, glad I'm on his crew, but it's the last crew I'll be on . I'm like Donna "no more" Sommers. My last Dance . tonight!!!!!
Thanks Blinky for keeping it real !
 
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I dont care what anyone says I had a blast and so did everyone else in the "sexy six" group!! So what everyone doesnt agree with the AR, there is more than one event at a TCC. Should the dummy have been brought down? Hell yes, so as professionals thats what we did. It's over and it is what it is.
 
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" there is more than one event at a TCC. Should the dummy have been brought down? Hell yes, so as professionals thats what we did. It's over and it is what it is. "

you are right . you are a very good competitor too . a lot of points are involved with the over all score of AR , your a fast person , maybe you don't need those points . A game is a game . You have to keep it fair ! if not , than the rules and score sheets mean nothing . Than what ?
 
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low score for a winner . I stand corrected. Heard it was
" goofy" very low score for a winner , a lot of points on the table. Why ? Are we that bad ? No , just some people want to make a point , but not at their expense .
 
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I still don't think I would do anything different in a real rescue, I couldn't watch for hours while a bunch of firemen with ladders tried to get someone down "safely". That being said, the event in Charlotte forever changed the way I think about AR.
 
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The fact is, you should NOT move an unconscious victim unless they have life threatening injuries that require immediate treatment... that's not exactly new information. Just because the ISA wants the dummy on the ground doesn't mean it's what you should do were the situation real.

The event was perfectly fair, no one left the dummy in the tree that didn't time out. NO one knew anything that others didn't know in terms of the scenario. Since they are all scored by the same judges against the same standards, it's perfectly fair.

Don't come to Charlotte Riggs, we wouldn't want to hurt your delicate feelings.
 
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I have watched people get put on backboards. Its never all that smooth. I would figure hanging is worse than a little movement. If its a straight foward drop then i would avoid a hanging injury which is also life theatening.
 
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Same here Kevin, and I basically agree but arthro knee surgery looks pretty rough too, even though it's done by trained pros. Personally I'm an action type, I'd want to get them down... but I've been taught since the late seventies to leave an unconscious victim for someone with a C-spine collar at a minimum... if you can. If suspension trauma or bleeding out is imminent, the priority changes to getting them down... you have to size things up and decide. The more information you have, the better the odds you make the best decision.

That's not even the point though.
Charlotte is an opportunity to do things differently because it isn't governed by ISA. That means your finish doesn't effect anything in terms of your standings or going to the next level comp. Getting a low score in AR doesn't hurt you any as long as everyone else was scored the same. Nobody got hurt... hurt in the butt? Yes. Hurt in terms of comp standings? No.

Frankly I thought the biggest problem with that comp was the footlock bell and that was my fault alone. The scoring was a problem too but we knew that would be rough without Vince on site. He'll be there next year.

The point of the AR was to make people think. The idea succeeded. The subsequent discussion on and off-line has been valuable and allowed lots of good points to be raised about AR, both real and competitive. Whether the dummy in that particular situation should have been immediately lowered is something that can be argued both ways. And if I'm honest with myself, I'm pretty certain I would lower the victim in that scenario were it real... but thats just me.

Charlotte is the comp where you can change things up some. It would be stupid to have that opportunity and just throw a run of the mill ISA comp. The volunteers worked their asses off to make it the best one yet. We want to throw something closer to a jamboree. It wasn't perfect but we learned what it takes to not make those same mistakes again. And we definitely aren't done yet.
 
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I made a point to tell Scotty personally that the AR message was great and thanked him for the learning experience. Also I totally got hosed by the bell placement on footlock haha, damn short arms........ It was great meeting some buzzers, Chip, Kevin, Tom, Scotty and thanks to AR I can now say that Stephan has besmudged me. I had a blast!
 
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Honestly I felt it was horse crap. It changed everything. It took one
Of the highest scoring event and made it obsolete. Teaching is for seminars and class. This is a comp not real life, the time Frame Is to keep the comp moving. You wanna do something like that you have to change the whole scoring. I lost a lot from that comp. don't get me wrong still fun. But the only thing I really remember is how pissed off I was about the being blindsided.
It won't change anything in how I would preform an AR. It's been said but they are less qualified to "fetch" a victim. How is anything going to get worse if a guys hangs in a terrible position or is lowered gently in the same terrible position? Maybe the point should have been don't change his position! Legit! But to say that he should be brought down period maybe we should have just thrown out the time and made it a 2 hr event so we can do it right! Now you've showed that an AR doesn't happen in 5min.

Overal it will make me think twice about making that 9hr trip pay 85 bucks take 2 days of work to be blind sided and make the throw line the decisive event. My opinion everyone's entitled to one and there you heard mine.

Prob be back cause they allowed the RW. But I won't consider going back if they pull crap like that again. Comp is comp. not real life.
 
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"Don't come to Charlotte Riggs, we wouldn't want to hurt your delicate feelings. "

Is that right ? I have more family down South than you'd care to know .! As for feelings , delicate ? cmon now Chip ! you went outside the game and made a point , can I say GAY , is it legal in Charlotte? Thinking outside the box is cool , scoring inside the box is fair . You are all vollys , great . stick to the program , game day is not the day . Get it Chip ? YA" ALL feel me ? not like I 's speaking unkindly , let's git the fella down before the suppa bell ring ! ( read that bit real slow like, than spit )
 
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wow.....you comp types are really developing some thin skin...

more climbing less whining....might be time for 24rs of tree
 
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This Comp. taught me more about the purpose of competition than any comp I have been to so far. I got to see equipment that isn't in catalogs (Matt Cornell harness hitch hiker) got to see some set ups that are truly unique (Rich's hand acender hook for srt, the 100's of ways people use the rope wrench) and got to see people truly using this controlled environment to explore the boundaries of rope access while maintaining high safety standards under the watchful eye of some true professionals.
The Judges pushed the boundaries on the areal rescue, true. It was handled a bit sloppy in my opinion. but they did it at a leading edge comp which won't qualify you for anything except coming back next year and seeing the latest and greatest rope access techniques the industry has to offer.
Thank You Charlotte,
see you next year
 
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taught alot of people too ! they didn't push boundries , they crossed them , but thats cool , heres my 2 cents. Foot lock is 50 ft. belayed is 60ft tops at trees decrestion. work climb has 4 stations ,throw line has two sets and now aerial rscue can be at each chapters descretion , unrescuable. OH WOW !!!! WHY ? egos ? no , not that ! UHMM......,, REVENGE?..,,no , couldn't be , dare I say , Stupid. I didn't say that . If the rescue is going to involve the people that set it up , and not to get the dummy to the ground, but to in fact secure the rescue scenario , than all particioants should have had a heads up . Prior to the event . Each rescue has it's own wtf , and to train for a comp we only have the score boxes to rely on to get the dummy down . Now , it's not just rescue , it's wait , just, wait.? I'm just getting warmed up ,if you want to change the thread and not take away from the great volley work you people did at Charlette , I'll meet you there .
 
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