Camp in Old Growth?

[Merle Nelson]

When I walk through the redwoods with friends I marvel at the beauty of the trees and their structure. It's amazing to look at them with a little bit of a critical eye and notice tops blown out at 8 foot diameter (on the ground measurement) and regrowth that is at least 3 foot diameter.

 

[evo]

I am confused by the outrage expressed in this thread. Is it the commercialization of this activity or the activity itself that is being objected to? In 2023 @Zebco Kid asked about ropes for climbing old growth Redwood and people just offered advice. Clearly I am missing something.

Speaking for myself, I have seen the ramifications from turning the biggest or notable into an amusement park. The results are nothing good.
I have nothing against climbing an OG for a reason, but getting jollies off isn’t sufficient.
Around here we have some 200’+ second growth which are actually fairly abundant. We just worked in a 45” dbh Sitka spruce. Right in town there are some HUGE second growth in the 48” range that are also open grown with canopies starting at 20’. Those are kinda short at about 120-150’
All fair game. But please stay the hell out of the few and non renewable OG, they deserve that respect.
Or think of it this way, do you take a vacation to a reservation as some sort of tourist attraction adventure, or drive through zoo?
Sometimes leave no trace means not going there.

 

[rico]

^^^^^^
what he said

 

[Webfoot]

@rico and @evo you both replied to Zebco Kid in that earlier thread and did not admonish him that I can see. Did something change your attitude in less than a year or am I still missing the distinction here?

How are you defining old growth? Do you mean all the trees in an old growth area or only the giants? Real forest is far more pleasant to hike through than tree plantations and I seek it out. I don't actually know how much of this is technically OG. I am not able to climb anything huge anyway but I certainly would like to climb in real forest, with the big ones around.

 

[data farm 26]

From what I remember zeb lives among the reds and was going to climb a tree on private property with some friends.

 

[Webfoot]

From what I remember zeb lives among the reds and was going to climb a tree on private property with some friends.

Okay. How is that morally different from climbing an OG tree on government land?

 

[data farm 26]

Was he specifically going to climb an old growth tree?

 

[Webfoot]

Was he specifically going to climb an old growth tree?

Yes, he explicitly stated such in the opening of his post in a way that no one could miss.

"Good morning, All. In a couple weeks I’m heading off to the real Northern California to climb an old growth Redwood."

 

[Merle Nelson]

Sometimes Mr. Jekle comes to the keyboard, sometimes Mr. Hyde.

 

[evo]

@rico and @evo you both replied to Zebco Kid in that earlier thread and did not admonish him that I can see. Did something change your attitude in less than a year or am I still missing the distinction here?

How are you defining old growth? Do you mean all the trees in an old growth area or only the giants? Real forest is far more pleasant to hike through than tree plantations and I seek it out. I don't actually know how much of this is technically OG. I am not able to climb anything huge anyway but I certainly would like to climb in real forest, with the big ones around.

Wow a little sensitive?
Admonish?
Post a link to the thread or make a comment on the thread. So I can see what you think my pov was when responding.
Would you rather I not offer rope advise if someone is doing something I don’t fully agree with? How would you like me to behave?

 

[rico]

@rico and @evo you both replied to Zebco Kid in that earlier thread and did not admonish him that I can see. Did something change your attitude in less than a year or am I still missing the distinction here?

How are you defining old growth? Do you mean all the trees in an old growth area or only the giants? Real forest is far more pleasant to hike through than tree plantations and I seek it out. I don't actually know how much of this is technically OG. I am not able to climb anything huge anyway but I certainly would like to climb in real forest, with the big ones arou

Sometimes Mr. Jekle comes to the keyboard, sometimes Mr. Hyde.

Smart asses aside you do realize you can climb in an OG forest and not climb OG? Around here you can get in a 230+ ft second growth Red which is growing among the OG and basically have the same experience. This is exactly what happens when someone ask to come here and climb a Red. I let them know that the OG is off limits and that they will have a very similar experience climbing a bomber second growth. They always leave here happy and the OG remains untouched and intact. A win win.

 

[Webfoot]

Wow a little sensitive?

Not that I can see. What do you mean?

Admonish?

"But please stay the hell out of the few and non renewable OG, they deserve that respect."

Post a link to the thread or make a comment on the thread. So I can see what you think my pov was when responding.

I linked the quote in post #38 in this thread but here is the URL in full. https://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/climbing-a-tall-tree-with-shorter-rope-s-….48781/

Would you rather I not offer rope advise if someone is doing something I don’t fully agree with? How would you like me to behave?

I would not have you behave in any particular way. I am simply surprised that if you feel strongly about this enough to say "stay the hell out" that you did not have a disapproving word in that thread, seeing you were aware of it.

 

[evo]

Not that I can see. What do you mean?


"But please stay the hell out of the few and non renewable OG, they deserve that respect."



I linked the quote in post #38 in this thread but here is the URL in full. https://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/climbing-a-tall-tree-with-shorter-rope-s-….48781/



I would not have you behave in any particular way. I am simply surprised that if you feel strongly about this enough to say "stay the hell out" that you did not have a disapproving word in that thread, seeing you were aware of it.

Nahh my POV of rec climbing old growth has been consistent, double so for any tourists climbs.

I posted once on that thread in response to moss, referring to climbing large trees. So try again.

Try the full sentence in context ‘pleading’ is more appropriate than ‘admonishing’… I actually admire oldgrowth climbing and have climbed a few myself. Yet I had a purpose to be there other than some sort of experience adventure. I have found some amazing spots in some forest with some truly unique likely champions of their species. I’ll go to my grave without telling another soul their whereabouts.

 

[DanHouse]

To be totally honest I climb for how it makes me feel and it makes me feel very close to nature and to God. Teaching others how to climb and share that experience is what makes me tick. I have the most respect for the skills that arborists have perfected and can only hope that I can copy what they do. Of course, I take precautions and strive to do no harm but know that everything I do has consequences. The reward is worth the impact and as long as I am able, I plan to continue to climb, teach and promote accessing the canopy for both fun and education.

I applaud the emotion expressed to do no harm and leave no trace but as this planet’s apex species no amount of admonishment, pleading, or scolding will change what people choose to do. I have to admit that I both agree and disagree with the comments posted about this topic.

Please continue to make us all aware of how concerned we all should be about taking care. It is both an honor and a privilege to commune with our tree friends that no one should take for granted.

As an ambassador for the Global Organization of Tree Climbers I am most interested in this forum discussion and would like to announce that in August 2025 we expect 50-75 treeples to attend our annual state-side Rendezvous at Silver Falls State Park. The state has approved our event and will be hosted by Leo who is their only guide service to climb on the park property. I invite you all to attend, climb and learn from our speakers and workshops. To learn more about this follow this link:

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[rico]

I take precautions and strive to do no harm but know that everything I do has consequences. The reward is worth the impact and as long as I am able, I plan to continue to climb, teach and promote accessing the canopy for both fun and education.




As an ambassador for the Global Organization of Tree Climbers I am most interested in this forum discussion and would like to announce that in August 2025 we expect 50-75 treeples to attend our annual state-side Rendezvous at Silver Falls State Park.

Who is rewarded? Mother Nature, the OG’s, or your company, yourself, and your clients? And are you financially compensated for this?

50-75 treepees. Wow, that definitely gonna leave a mark! And let’s remember that they still clear cut in the State of Oregon so no one should be surprised they have given their approval.