Cabling for failure rather than prevention?

I once saw a photo or diagram dynamic cable installed to catch a branch once it breaks rather than preventing a break. Have any of you seen this or done it?

If I remember correctly, it was rigged like a piece that was going to be removed, the difference being that the cable was terminated below the union or defect.

Thoughts?

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I would not go down that road.

1. Liability is sky high since it is not in the ANSI standard.
2. There is usually a way to mitigate the circumstance better - reduction pruning, whole tree removal, ANSI standard cabling, etc.
 
Agreed on going with other mitigation options where possible.

If it were a specimen with low vigor and not much internal growth - so not a good candidate for reduction - and without great options for cable placement, what then?

I don't think this kind of cabling would be appropriate for high risk situations, but if someone loved a tree and it was over a lower value target like a fence, what about a technique like this for helping to minimize potential damage?

Good point about ANSI. Would you ever have someone acknowledge that a technique is experimental/not ANSI as a way to mitigate liability?
 
Agreed on going with other mitigation options where possible.

If it were a specimen with low vigor and not much internal growth - so not a good candidate for reduction - and without great options for cable placement, what then?

I don't think this kind of cabling would be appropriate for high risk situations, but if someone loved a tree and it was over a lower value target like a fence, what about a technique like this for helping to minimize potential damage?

Good point about ANSI. Would you ever have someone acknowledge that a technique is experimental/not ANSI as a way to mitigate liability?

Cool questions.

First, if it is a specimen tree in that state I might consider taking cuttings and propagating the next generation before it fails or dies. A replant is probably in order.

Specimen trees usually need to look good, so I am uncertain about how to achieve that with any cabling system.

I think you might want to elaborate what you mean by specimen tree - emotional attachment, small size, exotic, superior aesthetic, etc. It sounds a little Charlie Brown from your description.

Lastly, fences are cheap to repair as compared to cabling, so I am not convinced that there is anything to gain there.

I would focus on holistic management - tiny bit of reduction, mulch with arb chips, water, maybe a cycle of paclobutrazol, tomography on the weak spot, prune adjacent trees to provide access to sunlight, support temporarily with yukitsuri during snowfall season. Try to get all the incremental gains pointing the tree in the same direction.
 
I've had first or second hand experiences with this or the talk of it. It can work, but it's very situational and not in any of our BMP's so you have to defend the crap outta it. One overlooked part of it is the additional complexity if and when the piece fails. I saw pictures of a huge doug fir which one lead split out and was held with a cable. Would you want to ascend under a 60' doug fir top held in place with a cable to then remove it and the tree? What about the additional cost of dealing with a suspended load? On and on... It can be done, and I have kinda sorta done so but it's very situational
 
What have seen this on special occasions. It was shown in the Sherrill magazine for years right between the static steel cable and the dynamic cobra cable it was called TreeSaver (I think)

I’ve done this twice both with signed letters informing ricks, issues etc. But not with tree saver.

1 was silly a very declining birch the lady loved the birds etc small tree some storm damage, etc. There was 0 targets for this tree so no risk here

The 2nd was an old hollow apple tree I did that and some dynamic cabling to make sure the tree was still there in full shape because there were weddings held under that tree for the next 2 summers. Of course I pruned deadwood, reduced weight, thinned it out etc.
But for this I went to the hardware store and got some 1” poly hollow braid tow straps and spliced it like cobra cable to help support the tree. I removed it a few days before the one wedding and the other hung decorations from it so np.

I don’t have any issue doing outside the box stuff. However while still being ethical and fully educating all parties involved. But the risk of the tree is the owners and it is up to there ‘level of acceptable risk’

I personally like to fix an issue with structural pruning rather than cabling but often we’re invited to the party too late. But with this task layout every option the pros and cons and get them to sign off.
 
We live in a litigious society as far as I can tell. You can be in the right and still get drug into less than ideal situations.

I'm far more impacted by the story of the guy who got excluded from a tree swing lawsuit with all parties agreeing he was not appropriately a part of it only after three years of court dates and $30,000 from his checking account to a lawyers checking account. Compared to that......"I'm glad you love your tree - you couldn't pay me enough."
(Not being callus or flippant.)
 
I once did a job for an old family friend who was about to sell the house (he was in his 90's. There was a huge oak limb hanging out over the roof. The branch had major structural issues. I tied it off with a short piece of line so that if it failed it would no more than tips brush the roof. The man dies and they sold the house as is. I drove by a few months later and all the trees were down. That temporary measure saved the family some money while mitigating a hazardous situation in a way that made my life easy too.

And I have cabled a tree where the cable was at a funny angle, because of the way the leads were growing, so that it would not prevent failure, but at least would prevent damage, which is exactly what happened.
 
I've had first or second hand experiences with this or the talk of it. It can work, but it's very situational and not in any of our BMP's so you have to defend the crap outta it. One overlooked part of it is the additional complexity if and when the piece fails. I saw pictures of a huge doug fir which one lead split out and was held with a cable. Would you want to ascend under a 60' doug fir top held in place with a cable to then remove it and the tree? What about the additional cost of dealing with a suspended load? On and on... It can be done, and I have kinda sorta done so but it's very situational
Post-failure complication is a great point. My thinking has always stopped at the point where the piece has failed and everyone is relieved that it is suspended by a cable rather than having crashed out. Your Doug Fir examples is a terrifying prospect. Where I've been inclined to do this - and have actually done it - is on branches that have hollows, with nothing overhead to cable them to. It seems like that's often a tougher situation to find appropriate anchors for compared to supporting unions. In this situation a cable often needs to be installed more vertically than horizontally, which can be tough to arrange on very decurrent trees.

@KevinS, Having the client sign something is a great idea.
 
With insights from an attorney who has a tree-related background this could have a preventive maintenance spin.

This could be framed as mitigation support or some such clever name. Don't sell it as any sort of on-going commitment like we sell for cabling and bracing. Take the stance that you're following proper PM ideals.

Have an attorney write up a contract that is body-armor for you. Its the clients choice.
 
With insights from an attorney who has a tree-related background this could have a preventive maintenance spin.

This could be framed as mitigation support or some such clever name. Don't sell it as any sort of on-going commitment like we sell for cabling and bracing. Take the stance that you're following proper PM ideals.

Have an attorney write up a contract that is body-armor for you. Its the clients choice.
Is there a "legal templates" thread on here!?
 
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