Breaking mini carabiners on footloop of SAKA mini?

swingdude said:
I have personally owned 6 HAASs and about 7 SAKAs. I have never once broken or bent a biner using them. Not sure how you would do that. I own 4 SAKAs presently that have seen loads of vertical feet. All in tip top shape. I know this is not much help but I think it is a huge user error with poor form. These are how mine are setup.....well 2 of them.
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Why the hell have you owned 13 knee ascenders? You are 52 not 152 right? I know you don't climb 80 hours a week...
 
The CT QuickStep is great, I know quite a few guys who have them and they all love them. Simple, light, and completely reliable. My former climber who may have been short a few brain cells never had any trouble with his, and the new rockstar we have loved his equally well. If I weren’t such a Petzl fan, that’s what I would use, and I still might when I wear out my Pantin.
 
swingdude said:
I have personally owned 6 HAASs and about 7 SAKAs. I have never once broken or bent a biner using them. Not sure how you would do that. I own 4 SAKAs presently that have seen loads of vertical feet. All in tip top shape. I know this is not much help but I think it is a huge user error with poor form. These are how mine are setup.....well 2 of them.
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Wow how many do u need to rope walk?
 
Fiddled with it today and ended up changing several things slightly, and I think I have a pretty good config the way things sit now...

Loosened the bottom foot strap on the Stryder, which made the ascender sit angled forward a little more (rope channel more vertical). Really helped the rope feeding, and I didn't have a single kick-out (whatever it is called when the rope simply slides through the device without being grabbed, but doesn't come out of the device). So, that helped. Also tried to keep foot slightly angled forward.

The other thing I spent a little time "tuning" - although it will probably bear a little more tuning in the future - were the relationships between my shoulder tender (Walmart webbing with a plastic buckle on it, clipped back to the red ring in the center of the TM Lite), SAKA mini foot-knee strap length, and elastic length.

I'd been running the elastic band tripled instead of single or doubled. Changed it to doubled and lengthened the elastic, and then shortened the webbing between foot loop and knee ascender. The net effect was that...

1) when I was standing upright on the knee ascender, the shoulder tender could pull my bridge higher up the rope so there was less setback when weighing into my harness,

2) the knee ascender was lower on my leg and seemed to be father away from the harness leg loops and pants material that could cause drag on it, and

3) possibly the most noticable outcome, the weight on the shoulder tender was much less because it wasn't having to fight against the tripled strands of elastic (knee ascender is tended from RR's carabiner).

The whole string (from foot loop up to shoulder tender) is now configured such that when my knee ascender leg is juuuust shy of full extension/knee-locked, the elastic is maxed out, and when leg is bent at knee to the extent that it would be just before taking a step on the knee ascender side, the knee ascender itself isn't in danger of touching my harness's leg loops or anything else.

Just an update, for anyone who cares and/or might benefit from a newb's learning process.
 
That is a mouthful. I think these things are overthought. Please get rid of that tender crap and purchase a genuine chest harness. It takes all the slop out of tending your chosen climbing system. I make them and was the first to create a lightweight alternative to the one's available in 2012 specifically for arb industry. They were big and clumsy then. Since mine many have been made for production. It is a game changer. That xrse tending spot in the pic makes a huge difference and is in the perfect spot.
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@swingdude, sorry - was it difficult to follow? :| Alot of words...

Tending crap?? Man, you've not seen my sweet Walmart rig! It's as lightweight as it gets!

Seriously though - with the chest tender, it would distribute the load more across the torso/shoulders, as opposed to just one shoulder (right?), but you still have to fiddle with where it causes the bridge/multiscender to sit, right? That was the exercise, or at least part of it, that I was referring to with my Walmart rig.
 
LordFarkwad said:
Fiddled with it today and ended up changing several things slightly, and I think I have a pretty good config the way things sit now...

Loosened the bottom foot strap on the Stryder, which made the ascender sit angled forward a little more (rope channel more vertical). Really helped the rope feeding, and I didn't have a single kick-out (whatever it is called when the rope simply slides through the device without being grabbed, but doesn't come out of the device). So, that helped. Also tried to keep foot slightly angled forward.

The other thing I spent a little time "tuning" - although it will probably bear a little more tuning in the future - were the relationships between my shoulder tender (Walmart webbing with a plastic buckle on it, clipped back to the red ring in the center of the TM Lite), SAKA mini foot-knee strap length, and elastic length.

I'd been running the elastic band tripled instead of single or doubled. Changed it to doubled and lengthened the elastic, and then shortened the webbing between foot loop and knee ascender. The net effect was that...

1) when I was standing upright on the knee ascender, the shoulder tender could pull my bridge higher up the rope so there was less setback when weighing into my harness,

2) the knee ascender was lower on my leg and seemed to be father away from the harness leg loops and pants material that could cause drag on it, and

3) possibly the most noticable outcome, the weight on the shoulder tender was much less because it wasn't having to fight against the tripled strands of elastic (knee ascender is tended from RR's carabiner).

The whole string (from foot loop up to shoulder tender) is now configured such that when my knee ascender leg is juuuust shy of full extension/knee-locked, the elastic is maxed out, and when leg is bent at knee to the extent that it would be just before taking a step on the knee ascender side, the knee ascender itself isn't in danger of touching my harness's leg loops or anything else.

Just an update, for anyone who cares and/or might benefit from a newb's learning process.
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Pictures with that much explaining would help for sure..

Chest harness sounds like it may help with cleaning up doubled & tripled bungees + webbing & plastic buckles running all over the place interfering with this & that.. Set the length you need with the saka, throw a chestie on & call it a day.. I've tried the whole over the shoulder game & it has always just sucked, whether it be tethers, lanyards, over the shoulder boulder holders, bungees, whateve..

The chestie isn't going to negatively interfere with anything going on down at your bridge, it's just going to pull the system up when u stand & go somewhat neutral when u sit. As long as your form is good you should be good to go.
 
Honestly, the shoulder tender is the least fiddly part of the whole rig! xD

I'll keep fiddling with the whole thing and seeing what the next low hanging fruit is, if any. It takes a couple times out climbing bc any improvement is usually so pleasant, comparatively, to climb on, that it takes a few sessions for the warts to come into clarity again.
 
LordFarkwad said:
Honestly, the shoulder tender is the least fiddly part of the whole rig! xD

I'll keep fiddling with the whole thing and seeing what the next low hanging fruit is, if any. It takes a couple times out climbing bc any improvement is usually so pleasant, comparatively, to climb on, that it takes a few sessions for the warts to come into clarity again.
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I loved my bungee necklace for tending. I couldn't imagine using anything else for over a year... now I can't even begin to tend from my neck. You get used to strange things so that they feel more normal and reasonable than things that may well be much more reasonable with just a little use.
Just a thought.
 
SomethingWitty said:
I loved my bungee necklace for tending. I couldn't imagine using anything else for over a year... now I can't even begin to tend from my neck. You get used to strange things so that they feel more normal and reasonable than things that may well be much more reasonable with just a little use.
Just a thought.
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Can't argue with that!

Chest tender, unless it's a very minimalist version seems clunky. One of the guys I occasionally work with is big on the bungee neck tender.
 
SomethingWitty said:
I loved my bungee necklace for tending. I couldn't imagine using anything else for over a year... now I can't even begin to tend from my neck. You get used to strange things so that they feel more normal and reasonable than things that may well be much more reasonable with just a little use.
Just a thought.
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The thing with a bungee necktether is the fucking slop and it just gets worse as the bungee wears. I know many who like it. I gave it a good run even after I had been making chesties for years already. I functioned. But not like a chestie. Not even close.
 
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