Brand new Buckcraft saddle Size XL

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Phil said:
Now this is just getting silly.
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It was silly from the start bud, but seeing how it had gone, I offered my idea in good faith. There are online communities that simply don't allow you to post in certain areas until you've established your account a bit better. Like I said, regardless of how anyone feels about it, it's technically a stolen saddle. It's silly to post stolen goods on a professional forum.
 
Matias said:
Here's a possible solution that might make everyone feel warm and fuzzy:

@rico Why don't you buy it from him for $150, as a trusted senior member of this forum, and confirm to all the plus size climbers that in your professional opinion, it is as new as it is claimed to be, and flip it for $250-$300 to make it worth your efforts?
He gets something for basically nothing, as he didn't pay anything to get it in the first place, and you help us ensure that goods offered here are coming from trustworthy sources. Obviously you should be paid for your services. Or maybe he could ship it to you for free to act as an intermediary, and the buyer can send each of you half the money.

It technically meets the definition of stolen goods, as it was a package not addressed to him, so I feel it's unfair to accuse us of "sucker punches", aka unfair strikes. Technically he should have just written "return to sender" and let wesspur or whoever sold it get it back and return the guy his money.
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It is stolen goods. Admitted by the seller.

And as such it should not be for sale here.
 
Matias said:
www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 1708 - Theft or receipt of stolen mail matter generally

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The law is quite clear on this. If you obtain any mail not addressed to you, you're obligated to leave it where it was delivered or return it to the post office. It's a federal crime punishable by up to five years in federal prison. Might be different in Canada.
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Playing devil's advocate here, but nowhere does he say he took delivery of it. For all we know it was in the box in a closet. All he says is that there was no forwarding address left and, assumedly, no contact info for the former tenant.
 
Actually, @Tom Dunlap should probably delete this whole post for OPs sake, as this would constitute an admission of guilt if it ever got brought before a judge. Not a good thing to have here. And then I immediately realized that that might constitute tampering with evidence...
 
Boomslang said:
Also, as the owner of the building I'm assuming you would at the very least have a phone number for the former tenant. Isn't that fairly standard information to have as a landlord?
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I was trying to be as delicate as possible with my very first comment. OP took offense, and and I called him out. This whole thread would have died instantly if he'd kept his mouth shut and let it stand on its own. Anyone here is still free to make him an offer, and he might take $100 just because that's free money. Now that it's gotten this far, everyone has been made aware that by even accepting it for free, they are complicit in his crime. I thought it was weird that he knew that the guy left the state, but didn't know to where. Something doesn't line up.
 
Matias said:
I was trying to be as delicate as possible with my very first comment.
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I however was not interested in being delicate. This thread was obviously bullshit. I couldn't have known that it was stolen merchandise but I knew that was a possibility.

This is not about this Buck saddle. This is about the larger concept of trust. Do I think that Treebuzz is a place where random, non-tree people who joined 2 days ago should be able to sell life safety gear that they happened to acquire? No I do not. There are lots of places on Facebag where shady people do just that. Let them go there. It doesn't belong on the Buzz. And I'm not saying that it's a moderator's job to enforce this stuff, it's a community job.
 
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Muggs said:
And why on earth anyone here would defend this joker is beyond me.
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Why? Because it is my right to do so, and because it was not clear from the OP’s first post that he had done anything wrong. Did the OP find the saddle in a closet, or in the garage 9 months after the tenant had left? We didn’t know, so instead of appointing myself judge, jury, and executioner I chose to informed the OP that his price was too high, and advised him to sell the saddle elsewhere.
 
rico said:
Why? Because it is my right to do so, and because it was not clear from the OP’s first post that he had done anything wrong. Did the OP find the saddle in a closet, or in the garage 9 months after the tenant had left? We didn’t know, so instead of appointing myself judge, jury, and executioner I chose to informed the OP that his price was too high, and advised him to sell the saddle elsewhere.
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I'll agree that it wasn't crystal clear that there'd been any criminal malfeasance, hence my initial delicateness. What was clear from the get go was that someone with no reason to be trusted came to this group with a story that did have enough of a weird smell that it warranted more questioning. Luckily the guy outed himself quickly, before it became a serious headache for someone else. If he'd approached things differently, he may have gotten some money out of all this, but here we are.
 
NOTE: Nothing has been deleted from this thread. The OP has been banned. [Tom Dunlap edits]


Tom Dunlap said:
This thread will get removed.

The OP is stealing from someone.

THe OP is a variant of the hated Porch Pirate.

The OP hasn't exerted even the smallest amount of effort to get the goods back to the vendor.
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No offense Tom, but after reading the OP’s post from this morning (since deleted) I believe we don’t have enough info to be casting too much judgement either way. I wholeheartedly agree that his sale should not be allowed here for a lack of all the facts, but I would also hope that this thread would remain here (locked) so that the forum members, as well as others, might learn from it.
 
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rico said:
No offense Tom, but after reading the OP’s post from this morning (since deleted) I believe we don’t have enough info to be casting too much judgement either way. I wholeheartedly agree that his sale should not be allowed here for a lack of all the facts, but I would also hope that this thread would remain here (locked) so that the forum members, as well as others, might learn from it.
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that does sound like a good idea, but rather because if you read everything carefully, OP does in fact clearly incriminate himself.
 
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