Big boy climbing gear

I started with a blakes hitch on an eye&eye w/ micro pulley
Then 6-wrap prussic w/micro pulley
Then zigzag
Then RopeRunner.
I'm the happiest I've ever been with my rope runner but am very glad I started kinda old school. It taught me a lot , most importantly how to get back to the basics in an emergency but secondly how much to appreciate SRT and Mechanicals!
 
Please don't make him "learn the basics aka the blake's hitch" unless you don't want him to climb. I started SRT and am so glad I did especially when I goof around with things like the blake's and isolating the tip BS now. Double rope techniques have there place and I do use them on occasion, but it definitely isn't something you need as a first step. That is a myth.

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Never said for a few months, but I do believe they should always least climb on it for a day or so to have them appreciate the toys
 
I disagree. If he doesn't atlEast know the basics then what happens if something fails in the tree or he forgot his shiny piece of gear at home an he's an hour away?

Hey man,

Did you start out SRT like @D x D and I? "The basics" sounds like (and I do not mean this offensively) good old boy talk. To me, the basics are if you can go up and go down without hardpanning.

I think I understand your argument about simplicity (1 less piece of gear) being better. However, I cannot assemble a Blake's hitch tied to my harness and the rope - the way it's "done". I've done it and felt dazed, probably by the ratio of complexity to lack of motivation. That knot/hitch complex, plus the slow ascent and (for a newb) awkward body thrust performance are big turnoffs. I went up 7 feet that one time, noted that mrt was not for me, and begged off. I honestly feel sorry for beginners who enter their first tree that way.

In 8th grade, I climbed my first roped tree, ascending SRT on two loops with prusik knots to ~40' in an oak. I probably changed over and used an 8 on the way down. For me, it was a natural circumstance then, and still is, to climb srt.

To address your questions:

What happens if something fails in the tree? Hopefully, the climber has a backup plan or three for that. Honestly, that is a bit vague to answer and has the "if", too. Tibloc, atc, biner - everyone should have their simple bailout kit. One can ask parallel questions of mrt - what happens if the single isolated anchor fails? That, too, is simpler in mrt than in srt... What happens if the rope gets caught in a natural crotch (does that happen?)? So, I've quickly arrived at a very low odds event, of which there are an infinite number, making prediction difficult. Have beginners been documented messing up srt more than mrt?

Forgotten gear: same as if they forgot rope, saddle, or socks.

I'm getting ready to mrt professionally for the first time, for crane work. It seems palatable/easier with extra gear, but I'm honestly not looking forward to "climbing the sand dune". If you've never known anything else, it is a big buzzkill to lose half your forward progress, as if your canoeing partner were back paddling to turn.

In the end, I feel like mrt is often more of an srt gatekeeper rather than a good thing to know. That's because climbing is sometimes cast as a lineal evolution, rather than a pre-existing web of interrelated techniques and gear that awaited uncovering.

I really do appreciate that mrt has great value to those who employ it, especially in its gear-intensive form. I'm looking forward to learning it, since I have a reason to.
 
Please don't make him "learn the basics aka the blake's hitch" unless you don't want him to climb. I started SRT and am so glad I did especially when I goof around with things like the blake's and isolating the tip BS now. Double rope techniques have there place and I do use them on occasion, but it definitely isn't something you need as a first step. That is a myth.

Rope wrench btw. Don't have an akimbo yet, and I love the adjustable-BDB, the RR wasn't my thing, but I really enjoy my time on the RW and it will take the weight no problem. I second the michocan too w/10mm epicord.



This reply is copy and pasted from @Raven27 's post in "busted my rope wrench"
Reason enough to be very proficient in "old school methods"


So I ascended today to take one more branch off a tree that I had already thought I'd finished but the customer wanted one more gone. Anyways, went up fine, made my cuts, done in a few minutes. Went to come down and checked my gear like i usually do before I put all my weight on it and noticed what you see in the picture, the spring is free an fmthe bird doesn't spring back up, I wasn't about to try and descend on it, 1 I'm still a bit new to this device and thought better of it, that it wouldn't function right if I started to descend and I'd come crashing down, 2 I don't like taking chances.
Fortunately I learned old school ways a and just tied a closed system blakes hitch and got down fine.
So, I do see the small hole on the side of the runner and am assuming there's supposed to be a pin/bolt There? I can't find a replacement, to top it off, this thing only has about 20 climbs on it, it as a new gift from a generous member here and I love the thing.
 
I agree Mike. All mechanicals can fail including a melted or frayed hitch cord. The rope is still there to get you down safely with a trusty blake's.
 
So my youngest daughter's boyfriend ask me about tree climbing, he would like to learn to try rec climbing. He is young, smart and in good health but......he is 6' 6" and @250 lbs. Not sure how to work with that. I got a; RR, ZZ, Akimbo, Split tails, Prusiks, lots of 8's with ears.

I know some of you are that size and climbing, any secrets I should know or gear I should stay away from at his size? Thanks
I'm about the same size. I have never really been limited on what gear I could use. The adjustable bulldog bone will be useful. I can climb on 11mm with that thing. Michoacán seemed to work best for me when climbing on a wrench or doubled line (less binding). If he is at all athletic, he will make a much better tree guy all around than these scrawny fellas I see struggling to move a log. Height is very useful when in a tree. He just needs to learn how to use the rope and his height to his advantage. Keep the Blakes lesson brief. A good tool to have, but don't make him slog through that shit too long.
 
I'm about the same size. I have never really been limited on what gear I could use. The adjustable bulldog bone will be useful. I can climb on 11mm with that thing. Michoacán seemed to work best for me when climbing on a wrench or doubled line (less binding). If he is at all athletic, he will make a much better tree guy all around than these scrawny fellas I see struggling to move a log. Height is very useful when in a tree. He just needs to learn how to use the rope and his height to his advantage. Keep the Blakes lesson brief. A good tool to have, but don't make him slog through that shit too long.

Well stated friend I am glad to see there are other people who view size as an asset not a hindrance. I also agree the blakes lesson needs to be taught just not slogged through.
 
I start people off on a split tail system, and I'm in the tree with them. Hitches are bullet proof, and do not have the issues mechanical have. Once they get their feet wet, I will introduce srt hitch based systems and teach about proper use of mechanical. Once they have a few climbs on that and see the benefits I send their ass up with a blakes once or twice, then make them climb on that until they no longer need supervision before circling back to new school.
There have been many more times when oldshool blake tricks have saved my butt in odd situations, than new school. I'm not talking about emergency bailouts. Just sticky situations where I needed a quick, low gear solution to move in the canopy. Emergency bailouts are real, one should always climb with a backup device, which could simply be the ingrained knowledge of a blakes, figure 8 or mutner.
 
Too many times climbers become dumbfounded in the tree because all they know is one way to accomplish the task at hand. They need extra equipment or additional devices when the tail of the rope is right there and you don't need anything else to get a second tie and make something easier. Who (besides frank) has 2 of these expensive multi cenders let alone carries them both on your saddle every day. Just yesterday I pulled my tail up, tossed it and tied a closed tautline system to advance 20 ft. Everyone should know how to use just a piece of rope, it can be very helpful some days.
 
I am not a fan of forcing new climbers to learn a moving rope system as a prerequisite. Our new multisenders are safe and efficient, do not require removal or change-overs during a climb for a newbie.

There is so much that needs to be learned in order to work safely as an arborist. It will take time to fill in all the gaps in their knowledge. Just keep teaching as they go.
 
Yes ..... keep teaching ..... and learn all of it. I do have a multitude of mechanicals, but I am so happy I learned the tauntline then quickly learned the blake's. When it's July and August and the white pines are pissing sap, sometimes I take my 3-strand rope reserved for climbing the nastys. Tie in a Blake's to perform a quick and short task. Helps keep my nice gear from getting sappy.
 
This reply is copy and pasted from @Raven27 's post in "busted my rope wrench"
Reason enough to be very proficient in "old school methods"


So I ascended today to take one more branch off a tree that I had already thought I'd finished but the customer wanted one more gone. Anyways, went up fine, made my cuts, done in a few minutes. Went to come down and checked my gear like i usually do before I put all my weight on it and noticed what you see in the picture, the spring is free an fmthe bird doesn't spring back up, I wasn't about to try and descend on it, 1 I'm still a bit new to this device and thought better of it, that it wouldn't function right if I started to descend and I'd come crashing down, 2 I don't like taking chances.
Fortunately I learned old school ways a and just tied a closed system blakes hitch and got down fine.
So, I do see the small hole on the side of the runner and am assuming there's supposed to be a pin/bolt There? I can't find a replacement, to top it off, this thing only has about 20 climbs on it, it as a new gift from a generous member here and I love the thing.

That's the exact reason I keep a rescue 8 on my belt. If something happens, I can quickly set that and get down regardless of mechanicals, and don't have to deal with a knot.
 

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