BF II shackle...

I know I'm gonna get tons of flack about locktite but I would be remiss if I didn't post this.

I use a BF II and have recently been experimenting with spliced bridges. I've made several and switched them out several times. I've probably removed and replaced the left shackle 15 times, the right, maybe 10 times.

The principle with bow shackles is the bolt makes an interference fit with the threads, If you torque it, it should not withdraw without a similar amount of torque. I trust that principle.

I know locktite is recommended and I trust that too, but because I've been changing bridges fairly often lately I haven't threadlocked the shackles.

I'm a habitual visual checker of my bridge and the configuration of my knot and the biners tied in to it. I always check everything, including the shackles before ascending and I look them over frequently while climbing. I also keep an allen wrench in my hydropack in case the shackles start to loosen... but I've never had to use it.

Yesterday I checked the shackles, which looked normal, before footlocking about 50' into a big red oak. I advanced my TIP while standing in a big crotch, clipped back in, pulled up and set a rope for another climber and prepared to move on up. I did my little visual check and lo... my tie in biners were just lying against the stem, unclipped.

My heart rate probably spiked to 180 when i realized the bolt was missing from the left side shackle and my bridge was disconnected. THAT was a revelation.

I replaced the shackle with a ball lock biner, checked the tightness of the right side shackle with my allen wrench and finished working... checking that right side shackle FREQUENTLY. It made me nervous.

That's it, nothing bad happened. What did I learn, besides the fact that I'm still the luckiest fool I know?

- Threadlock the shackles... it's just too easy for the security it adds.

- Never stop doing frequent visual checks of all gear and connections.

- The BF II bridge is a critical connection to the climbing system and it has NO BACKUP. We backup all sorts of components in the lifeline system but the floating bridge harness has a major issue in that this critical failure point has no backup.

One last conclusion. The shackle bolt withdrew I presume, while I was footlocking and setting my partner's rope. I never found it. I'm certain that my error was in not heeding the inkling in my head that I was cycling that interference fit too often and wearing it out. I planned to buy new shackles for that very reason but I just hadn't gotten around to it.

My worst exposure point was while footlocking. I was using ascenders and, had the bolt backed out then... and it's possible it did, I would have simple continued unsecured with a heart rate like Neil Armstrong landing The Eagle... if I had noticed it. The rub is, I frequently hang on the ascenders to look around, plan my climb, swing into the tree, what have you. If I had done that without noticing the disconnected bridge I would probably have fallen.

I know we've argued threadlocking the shackles before... well, I'm now solidly in the threadlock camp.
 
Good point, Blinky.

I'm glad you are OK, we don't need to have you falling out of any more trees!



If you use locktite, then do you have to buy a new shackle if you want to change your bridge out?



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Good point, Blinky.

I'm glad you are OK, we don't need to have you falling out of any more trees!

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Technically I didn't fall out of that tree... it fell and I landed on top of it... breaking my fall with my face.

But that really was my first thought when I saw that loose bridge... "I might have never seen Steffen again!"

Sorry dude, I really just can't switch this a22hole persona off lately... I need a girlfriend.


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If you use locktite, then do you have to buy a new shackle if you want to change your bridge out?


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Nope. There are different strengths of loctite or permatex for different applications. The blue one is medium strength for threads and just requires hand tools to disassemble. The high strength stuff is better disassembled with heat and hand tools. I'm using the blue.
 
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Scary stuff! Glad all turned out well.
Why not lose the shackles all together and just use locking biners instead?

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The biners would be kind of bulky and take up a good bit of the travel across the bridge.

\RocksAndTrees did a <u>BF II bridge mod</u> that eliminates the hardware completely, it's pretty innovative but I'm not completely giving up on the shackles yet. I made some mistakes that I don't have to make again so at this point, I'm sticking with the original design.
 
i had the hardest time even breaking my shackles free when i first got my bfll, it was then i realized i should probably use locktite, seeing that the manufactor uses it, but this is even more reason, ill be sure to pass it along, glad your okay blinky
 
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\RocksAndTrees did a <u>BF II bridge mod</u> that eliminates the hardware completely, it's pretty innovative but I'm not completely giving up on the shackles yet. I made some mistakes that I don't have to make again so at this point, I'm sticking with the original design.

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Be careful when altering your equipment. You might not be covered by workmans comp if you get injured while using a piece of 'altered' equipment.
 
It's just a matter of time before someone dies due to these shackles. Glad it wasn't you Blinky. If I remember correctly some in this group have been using them where the bridge slides against the removalbe part! Damn. I've not liked them from the start.
 
Daang Blinky. So glad to hear you're okay.

Those shackles were worrysome for me too when I first got my BFII. I am much happier with my current arrangement, not just for the peace of mind, but the harness is noticeably lighter.

Before losing the shackles I was constantly checking them (or forgetting to).
Also, I previously tied my bridge directly to the shackle bolt which made me worry about the dbl. fisherman locking down on the bolt and possibly un-screwing it. Although when I did finally unsrew the bolt the removable loctite seemed to be holding firmly.

Anyway, I'm really glad you're okay. Have you thought about splicing a bridge over a thimble in place of the shackles?
 
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What does ansi say about the shackles?

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As of now, there is ANSI Z359, which is the standard on harnesses. I don't think it's available yet.

The ANSI A10.14 doesn't exist anymore.

So, I can't answer your question. Sorry.

I do know they have to meet the 5,000 pound criteria.
 
I climb on a BFII and am constantly worried about the shackles too. It always comes back when i'm uncomfortable for any other reason. If its a windy day, too cold, or in any way a weird tree I end up checking the shackles three times as often.

I guess one thing to do would be to use a shackle with an eye on the pin and mouse it with wire or a zip tie to prevent lossening, in addition to high torque and locktite even. Look at the bottom left of the page in this link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Rb-nukd...OxpXgNMYbD5QYfA
 
I don't have a BF 2 but I think this is a great thread to remind us how crucial it is to double check gear.

Glad you are ok. You wouldn't want to be laid up for lacrosse season!!
 
I have never seen these shackles on the BFII. But I use one of those twisty shackles for my lanyard attachment to my saddle. I always put a wire through the little hole in the shackle pin and twist the wire around the shackle. This prevents the pin from spinning out. I learned this from an old crane operator that did a lot of rigging with shackles. I believe this is what JohnyLighthouse is suggesting. Works great.
 
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I use one of those twisty shackles for my lanyard attachment to my saddle. I always put a wire through the little hole in the shackle pin and twist the wire around the shackle. This prevents the pin from spinning out.

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Same here
 
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I don't have a BF 2 but I think this is a great thread to remind us how crucial it is to double check gear.

Glad you are ok. You wouldn't want to be laid up for lacrosse season!!

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Cory, you won't believe this! Tryouts for his first season on a school team is next week and Wednesday he broke the fifth metacarpal on his right hand... he's in a splint, maybe a cast by next week and can't cradle.
He can still shoot but he plays D and heavy contact is out for several weeks.
He's been living for this season for a year and a half, has a stick in his hands six hours a day and now it looks like he'll redshirt his first season, or part of it anyway. He's bummed.

The BF II shackles are no snag bow shackles, they don't have an ear on the bolt to wire. I'm thinking about replacing them with regular bow shackles. I'll probably by some of each.
 
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I know I'm gonna get tons of flack about locktite but I would be remiss if I didn't post this.

I use a BF II and have recently been experimenting with spliced bridges. I've made several and switched them out several times. I've probably removed and replaced the left shackle 15 times, the right, maybe 10 times.

The principle with bow shackles is the bolt makes an interference fit with the threads, If you torque it, it should not withdraw without a similar amount of torque. I trust that principle.

I know locktite is recommended and I trust that too, but because I've been changing bridges fairly often lately I haven't threadlocked the shackles.

I'm a habitual visual checker of my bridge and the configuration of my knot and the biners tied in to it. I always check everything, including the shackles before ascending and I look them over frequently while climbing. I also keep an allen wrench in my hydropack in case the shackles start to loosen... but I've never had to use it.

Yesterday I checked the shackles, which looked normal, before footlocking about 50' into a big red oak. I advanced my TIP while standing in a big crotch, clipped back in, pulled up and set a rope for another climber and prepared to move on up. I did my little visual check and lo... my tie in biners were just lying against the stem, unclipped.

My heart rate probably spiked to 180 when i realized the bolt was missing from the left side shackle and my bridge was disconnected. THAT was a revelation.

I replaced the shackle with a ball lock biner, checked the tightness of the right side shackle with my allen wrench and finished working... checking that right side shackle FREQUENTLY. It made me nervous.

That's it, nothing bad happened. What did I learn, besides the fact that I'm still the luckiest fool I know?

- Threadlock the shackles... it's just too easy for the security it adds.

- Never stop doing frequent visual checks of all gear and connections.

- The BF II bridge is a critical connection to the climbing system and it has NO BACKUP. We backup all sorts of components in the lifeline system but the floating bridge harness has a major issue in that this critical failure point has no backup.

One last conclusion. The shackle bolt withdrew I presume, while I was footlocking and setting my partner's rope. I never found it. I'm certain that my error was in not heeding the inkling in my head that I was cycling that interference fit too often and wearing it out. I planned to buy new shackles for that very reason but I just hadn't gotten around to it.

My worst exposure point was while footlocking. I was using ascenders and, had the bolt backed out then... and it's possible it did, I would have simple continued unsecured with a heart rate like Neil Armstrong landing The Eagle... if I had noticed it. The rub is, I frequently hang on the ascenders to look around, plan my climb, swing into the tree, what have you. If I had done that without noticing the disconnected bridge I would probably have fallen.

I know we've argued threadlocking the shackles before... well, I'm now solidly in the threadlock camp.

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What happened to you is precisley the reason I have never used and will never use any harness that incorporates those type of shackles to support the bridge.
 

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