- Location
- Chardon, OH
The leaves do not look like BLD. I think you have something else; but I'm not a disease expert.
Beech Leaf Disease
- Thread starter GregManning
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JCB
Branched out member
- Location
- Westport, Mass.
Well, now you're just trying to freak me out!
The Green One
Participating member
- Location
- Frenchtown
Alleopathy to the Beech, from the Red Oak in the direct overstory?
I agree with Tom, I don't really see the Banding on the Beech leaves.
I wonder what the Calcium % (tissue test would confirm this) is on those affected Beech leaves in your photo JCB?
Tannins from Oak (acids) can mobilize upper soil horizon Calcium, and it will move down faster....
I'm curious on this one......
Basswood
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Long island
Those thinning canopies look pretty classic to BLD. Possibly they are second flush and free of the banding, or maybe that happened the previous year resulting in thinner canopies but less symptomatic leaves.
I do believe we have collected samples that were positive for BLd with no banding. But don’t quote me on that.
I do believe we have collected samples that were positive for BLd with no banding. But don’t quote me on that.
ATH
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Findlay, Ohio
Almost forgot...another email from Rainbow about a treatment protocol webinar.. Copied and pasted from email, I think those links will work.
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| Join Rainbow Ecoscience for an update on our systemic Beech Leaf Disease protocol. During this webinar we will unpack two years of research data and the results with Arbotect (Thiabendazole) injections. Another topic we will be covering is a refresher on macro-infusion best practices and we will close with an open Q&A session. ISA CEUs pending. |
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Basswood
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Long island
I injected that tree in the pic with Rainbow!
It was done a year ago and is starkly different from the other mature beech along side it, which recent images had it without leaves while the one we injected looked great.
It was done a year ago and is starkly different from the other mature beech along side it, which recent images had it without leaves while the one we injected looked great.
ATH
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Findlay, Ohio
What was so different about it...just the odd root flare? Did it seem different when you were treating?
Basswood
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Long island
Should have been a bit clearer. We did not inject the other tree.
JCB
Branched out member
- Location
- Westport, Mass.
Thanks!
The veining and curling are very evident on the first set of leaves and remain so on many of the trees. This is easier to see in my post from 2022: https://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/beech-leaf-disease.33333/post-714132
The second set of leaves, as I described, are mutated in several ways, and the veining is less apparent to nonexistent.
As for the oak's effect, I have dying beeches (some of the best specimens) in areas with no oaks nearby. They'd all gotten along fine until recent years. But perhaps alleopathy takes place at a certain stage or age?
I'm certainly not disavowing/disputing your opinions, as I said I know very little to nothing.
And I appreciate your interest.
moss
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
That is all 100% BLD. @JCB is showing the full range of leaf destruction, the leaf banding symptom is just the first round after the initial attack on the wintering over leaf buds. You're seeing the variety of responses to the bud nematode, all of the secondary effects, some of which are probably not documented and published online.
-AJ
- Location
- Massachusetts
BLD symptoms look far less obvious this year in my area north of Boston. Anybody else notice this?
JCB
Branched out member
- Location
- Westport, Mass.
Follow-up on untreated Beech-wood's rot resistance when exposed to weather: It has none.
The untreated wood developed black mold very quickly. I had to paint the bench to save it.
moss
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
I'm seeing ongoing leaf deterioration for F. silvatica and F. grandifloria in my area northwest of Boston. Are you seeing improvement after initial symptoms?
-AJ
- Location
- Massachusetts
just seems better than last year.
- Location
- Chardon, OH
I have posted several times since 2016, that the condition of my Beech change from year-to-year.
Some years they seem better; the next year worse.
The young small ones have a higher tendency to die.
I have been surprised that large trees seem to hang on; they look terrible but still alive.
Some years they seem better; the next year worse.
The young small ones have a higher tendency to die.
I have been surprised that large trees seem to hang on; they look terrible but still alive.
The Green One
Participating member
- Location
- Frenchtown
A good writeup that just came out in TCI Mag.
tcimag.tcia.org
Spotlight on Beech Leaf Disease
Another doom-and-gloom story? There is an ever-growing lineup of new […]
tcimag.tcia.org
Treeaddict
Participating member
- Location
- Bel Air
I had a known PHC company look at a large beech in a wooded area of my property. They recommended a pruning / thinning of the canopy to allow more light and air penetration. They also recommended Phosphite fertilizer be applied twice. No trunk injections available at this time and canopy spraying not feasible due to size and other trees in vicinity (it’s the woods). I’ve not heard before that the pruning would be beneficial, but, if that’s something being done, so be it. The pruning is something I can easily do myself. I know nothing about plant healthcare when it comes to chemicals and fertilizer though. I’ve always heard that soil should be tested before any type of fertilizer is applied. There was no soil test in this case. I know that tree receives water from septic systems and has large amounts of organic matter around the root zone. I’m just having a really hard time knowing how to proceed.
Basswood
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Long island
Look into Davey’s research in regards to Potassium Phosphite fertilizers for management of BLD. While you’re not actually treating the nematodes you will be strengthening the trees natural ability to be more robust and resistant to pests and diseases. It’s not a bad recommendation without a soil test in my opinion. Daveys data is compelling, but it’s not directly treating the nematodes like fluopyram or thiabendazole does.
I would hold off on any pruning aside from deadwood. The tree is going to need those resources. Thinning may make matters worse depending on severity. There is some anecdotal evidence that sheeting Beech is a form of BLD management but it’s not wildly accepted or recommended; just something a few of us have noticed. Otherwise there is no pruning being prescribed for BLD suppression/management that I’m aware of.
What state are you in?
ATH
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Findlay, Ohio
Just to clarify @Treeaddict - has your tree been diagnosed with Beech Leaf Disease?
Treeaddict
Participating member
- Location
- Bel Air
Yessir. I’m very familiar with the leaf patterns and neighbors trees were diagnosed by county foresters. I’ve tracked BLD in every state park I mountain bike in. It’s everywhere unfortunately.
